MMS De-Mystified - sodium chlorite, stabilized oxygen, chlorine dioxide, detox
15th September 2007 by Rett Anderson Posted in Disease, Infections, Revolutionary Therapies, MMS Information
MMS De-Mystified -be sure to go to the MMS Thread for additional information on MMS.
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For the past couple of weeks I’ve been learning about, and experiencing something wonderful; that has implications for every one of us. It is a procedure that involves precipitating a chemical solvent, chlorine dioxide, in quantities small enough to be safely ingested, and large enough to kill pathogens that are presently living in our body, robbing it of energy, and poisoning it with waste material, and making it more vulnerable to disease. If this is not your situation, it is certainly the situation of someone you know and love.
The product is called, “MMS,” which stands for miracle mineral supplement. Caution flags rise immediately when the term “miracle” is used to describe anything that amazes us, or when we don’t understand how it does what it does. In this case, it is indeed amazing. However, an explanation of why MMS is so effective as a pathogen destroyer is possible. It’s not the MMS that destroys pathogens; the chlorine dioxide does that. But when you understand the chemistry, you’ll see that it’s not a miracle… it just seems like one.
Humble Origins
The MMS protocol was developed by Jim Humble, a gold miner and metallurgist, on an expedition into the jungles of Central America, looking for gold. It was a response to a need to help a member of his expedition who came down with malaria, more than two days away, through heavy jungle, from the next mine. After many years of experience, Humble always carried stabilized oxygen with him on such expeditions, to make local water potable. Facing the possibility of a quick loss of life, he gave it to the stricken man. To everyone’s amazement, he was well within a few hours. That sure seemed like a miracle, but Humble wanted to better understand what had just happened.
Over the course of several years, Jim Humble figured out that what made stabilized oxygen so effective in some malaria cases, was not the oxygen at all, but the trace amounts of chlorine dioxide. Further research led him to come up with a way to produce hundreds, if not thousands more units of chlorine dioxide than what is found in stabilized oxygen. This is through using a higher concentrate of sodium chlorite (28% vs. 3% for stabilized oxygen), in conjunction with the activator. The proof of the efficacy of this simple protocol was in successfully helping over 75,000 people in several African nations – including Uganda and Malawi – rid themselves, primarily of malaria, but also hepatitis, cancer, and AIDS.
Jim Humble chronicled his experiences in two downloadable ebooks that are available at his web site: www.miraclemineral.org. The book is titled, Breakthrough: The Miracle Mineral Supplement of the 21st Century. Part one, which is a free download, tells how it began. Part two, which costs $9.95, continues the story, discusses the chemistry involved, and gives clear instructions on how to prepare MMS yourself. (A hard copy edition is also available.) This is important, because once you understand the chemistry, and the absolute absence of downside effects, outside of feeling nauseous and “expelling” when toxins and pathogens are dislodged, it becomes an option that anyone who may be on toxin overload must try out for one’s self.
Anyone can be on toxin overload. Some are but won’t admit it. Others would prefer to think they’re not. If your health is not perfect… you’re habitually low on energy, have trouble keeping your weight down, or blood pressure in the normal range, or constantly dealing with inflammation or pain, then there’s likely a toxin, heavy metal, virus, bacteria, or parasite issue in play. Traditional medicine will typically respond by loading you up with additional pollutants, many of which indiscriminately kill healthy tissue while going after “the bad guys.” Not so with chlorine dioxide. It only acts on harmful presences. Miracle or not, the effects are wonderful. I’d vote for Wonderful Mineral Supplement in a heartbeat!
Over the next few pages, I’m going to describe the MMS protocol. When followed, it will produce and distribute chlorine dioxide to your red blood cells, which is the most effective and intelligent pathogen killer known to Nature.
But first, a little background on the chemistry.
Chlorine dioxide and chlorine are not the same. Chlorine is a chemical element. In ion form, chlorine is part of common salt and other compounds, and necessary to most forms of life, including human. A powerful oxidizing agent, it is the most abundant dissolved ion in ocean water, and readily combines with nearly every other element, including sodium to form salt crystals, and magnesium, as magnesium chloride.
Chlorine dioxide is a chemical compound that consists of one chlorine ion bound to two ions of oxygen.
Oxidizing agents are chemical compounds that readily accept electrons from “electron donors.” They gain electrons via chemical reaction. This is important because relative to chlorine dioxide, all pathogens are electron donors.
Chlorine dioxide is extremely volatile. You might call it “hot tempered,” but in a very beneficial way. This volatility is a key factor in chlorine dioxide’s effectiveness as a pathogen destroyer.
The compound is literally explosive; so explosive, it’s not safe to transport in any quantity. Therefore, it is common practice to generate chlorine dioxide “on site” at the point of use. Most chlorine dioxide production is done on a scale that would prove deadly for individuals, for example, in municipal water treatment systems, where it is beginning to replace chlorine because it produces no carcinogenic byproducts. Chlorine dioxide is approved by the Environmental Protection Agency in safely removing pathogens and contaminates like anthrax. So you know it must be effective. However, the concentrations used in such applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm), which would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.
You will use the MMS solution, which is safe to transport, to make nature’s harmless pathogen remover.
The MMS solution is 28% sodium chlorite in distilled water. You can produce chlorine dioxide with a single drop, when an “activator” of vinegar, lemon juice, or a 10% solution of citric acid is added. The latter two activators are recommended for people with Lyme disease.
“Applications” of chlorine dioxide range from 1 drop to a maximum of 15, except in life critical situations, where the maximum may be doubled. A “maintenance application” is six drops, with ¼ teaspoon of activator added. After adding the activator, the chemical reaction that turns sodium chlorite into chlorine dioxide takes only about three minutes.
The activating ingredient in vinegar that makes the change possible is acetic acid. It also sets the stage for what happens when the chlorine dioxide ions enter the bloodstream. This weak acid acts like a blasting cap by lowering the pH of the chlorine dioxide, without setting it off.
The natural pH of sodium chlorite is 13. Adding vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid) creates about 3 mg of unstable but still harmless chlorine dioxide.
The Process
Let’s talk a bit more about how and why chlorine dioxide works for giving the immune system a new lease on life.
Volatility is what makes chlorine dioxide so effective when it contacts pathogens. As we’ve mentioned, chlorine dioxide is a safe and effective disinfectant in many municipal water delivery systems, hospitals, and even in bioterrorism response. It stands to reason that chlorine dioxide would be just as effective working in the waters of the human body.
Chlorine dioxide’s extreme volatility prevents pathogens from developing a resistance. Mainly because when they “clash,” the pathogens no longer exist. Yet, healthy cells and beneficial bacteria are unaffected.
While normal levels of oxygen in the blood cannot destroy all of the pathogens present under disease conditions, delivery of chlorine dioxide changes everything.
“Halt! Surrender Your Electrons, Now!”
When a chlorine dioxide ion contacts a harmful pathogen, it instantly rips up to five electrons from the pathogen, in what can be likened to a microscopic explosion… harmless to us, but terminal for pathogens.
The pathogen – an electron donor – is rendered harmless due to the involuntary surrendering of its electrons to the chlorine dioxide – an electron acceptor – and the resulting release of energy. Oxidized by the chlorine ion, the former pathogen becomes a harmless salt.
This process benefits a body that has become toxic.
Throughout the body, anywhere chlorine dioxide ions – transported via red blood cells – come in contact with pathogens, the pathogens give up their electrons and cease to exist. The chlorine dioxide armed cells only “detonate” on contact with pathogens, which include harmful bacteria, viruses, toxins, heavy metals, and parasites. All of these will have pH values that are out of the body’s range of good health. They will also have a positive ionic charge. The chlorine dioxide equipped cells do not oxidize beneficial bacteria, or healthy cells, as their pH levels are 7 or above, and hold a negative ion charge.
Chlorine dioxide ions will oxidize – meaning vaporize – diseased cells… anything that is acidic, with a positive ion charge.
If the chlorine dioxide ions encounter no pathogens or other poisons, it deteriorates into table salt and in some instances, hypochlorous acid, which the body can also use.
A Pathogen Terminator
Research has proven chlorine dioxide to be much safer than chlorine, as it is selective for pathogens when used in water. Furthermore, it does not create harmful compounds from other constituents in the water as chlorine does.
Numerous scientific studies have demonstrated that chlorine – part of the halogen family of elements – creates as least three carcinogenic compounds when it enters the body, principally trihalomethanes (THMs). There has been no such evidence of harmful compounds being produced from chlorine dioxide.
This is why, in 1999, the American Society of Analytical Chemists proclaimed chlorine dioxide to be the most powerful pathogen killer known to man. It has even been used to clean up after anthrax attacks.
A Journey into Chemical Alchemy
Once it is introduced into the bloodstream, chlorine dioxide performs a highly energetic acceptance of four electrons when it comes across any cell that is below a pH value of 7. This means that diseased cells are essentially vaporized (i.e., “oxidized”) while healthy cells are unaffected.
Here is how it happens.
Red blood cells that are normal carriers of oxygen throughout the body do not differentiate between chlorine dioxide and oxygen. Therefore, after ingesting the MMS/chlorine dioxide-rich solution, red blood cells pick up chlorine dioxide ions that are deposited on the stomach wall where it normally gathers nutrients of various kinds before journeying through the body.
Then, when the red blood cells armed with chlorine dioxide encounter parasites, fungi, or diseased cells that all have low pH and a positive ionic charge, the “aliens” are destroyed along with the chlorine dioxide ion. If no such encounters occur, the chlorine dioxide will be carried to a point in the body where oxygen normally oxidizes poisons and other harmful agents.
If the chlorine dioxide doesn’t hit anything that can set it off, it will deteriorate, and thus lose an electron or two. This may allow it to combine with a very important substance that the immune system uses to make hypochlorous acid. This compound kills pathogens, killer cells, and even cancerous cells. Hypochlorous acid is so important, its diminished presence in the body is described medically by the term myeloperoxidase deficiency.
Many people are afflicted by this condition. The immune system needs a great deal more hypochlorous acid when disease is present. Facilitated by the MMS solution, chlorine dioxide delivers it in spades, as does magnesium chloride, but that’s another part of the health discussion.
The most salient point to know, is that chlorine dioxide has 100 times more energy to do what oxygen normally does, and yet, will not harm healthy cells.
By the way, if you are totally healthy, and have nothing in your body that is at an acidic level below 7, there are no ill-effects from taking chlorine dioxide. However, your stores of hypochlorous acid will be increased.
MMS works best to destroy pathogens that may be present in the body, when 2 or 3 mg of free chlorine dioxide are in the solution at the time it is swallowed. However, the body is supplied with chlorine dioxide in a “timed release” manner lasting about 12 hours. Be aware, that before you feel better, it is likely you will feel ill.
“Why Must I Feel Sick?”
The nauseous feeling that you may experience would be the result of chlorine dioxide encountering, dislodging – hence the “sick” feeling – and then destroying pathogens encountered.
We are generally oblivious of the pathogens that are introduced to our body, especially after they have been stored in the tissue of various organs. Since they build up over time, they generally affect our health slowly, and cumulatively.
However, chlorine dioxide takes them out suddenly, which may result in a dramatic reaction. However, it passes in much less time than it took for the toxins and pathogens to accumulate.
When the chlorine dioxide “goes off,” the electron stripped pathogens cease to exist.
As an example, one will almost always feel ill in hepatitis cases because the liver is induced to expel stored poisons, which are then destroyed by an army of red blood cells containing chlorine dioxide. It’s really no contest. But it doesn’t have to be something as acute as hepatitis.
Years of “leeching” of from dental amalgams can “innocently” deposit enough mercury to one’s system to steal innocence, rob vitality, and erase precious memories. Dislodging and vaporizing it will feel uncomfortable for a very short time compared to the time it took to accumulate.
If you feel sick when you take this protocol, know that your health and vitality awaits to rejoin you on “the other side” of the ill feeling.
If it has no “close encounters” with pathogens, chlorine dioxide deteriorates into constituents that are totally non-toxic. Nothing poisonous is left behind to build up, as is the case with many medical protocols. Medical treatments currently provide you NO way of removing the poisons when said poisons don’t work. You are left on your own in a strange land and diseased state, without a roadmap back to health.
Nature’s chlorine dioxide, on the other hand, lasts long enough to do its job, then that which does not furnish the immune system with needed ions becomes nothing more than micro amounts of salt and water.
The chlorine dioxide has just a few minutes to do its thing, and then it no longer exists, leaving nothing behind that can build up, or do additional harm.
The Procedure
So the procedure is simple. All you need is your bottle of MMS, a clean, empty, dry glass, an eyedropper, and the activator (vinegar, lemon juice, or citric acid).
Add your drops of MMS – sodium chlorite – to a clean, empty dry glass. If this is not a critical, life threatening situation, start with one drop. If it is an acute disease situation, you should still limit your starting application to 15 drops of MMS. It has been brought to my attention that the current rule of thumb is 3 drops of sodium chlorite per 25 lbs. of body weight. This would put anyone who is 125 lbs at the 15 drop limit. A reader notes that Mr. Humble suggested that she (at 275 lbs) need to get up to 33 drops, and at 10 drop maintenance dose, rather than the “normal” 6-drops. (Thanks D.A.)
For 1-6 drops of sodium chlorite add ¼ teaspoon of activator. If you’re using vinegar, any kind is okay, including apple cider vinegar or white vinegar, as long as it has roughly 5% acetic acid. For 7-15 drops, add ½ teaspoon of activator — if using vinegar or lemon juice.
CITRIC ACID ACTIVATOR: To make a 10% solution of citric acid: Put one level tablespoon full of crystals in a clean glass or jar. Then add 9 level tablespoons full of purified water into the same jar. When the crystals have dissolved, this is a 10% solution. In all cases when using the citric acid as an activator, use 5 drops for each 1 drop of MMS. Do everything else the same. Wait 3 minutes after mixing, add juice and drink.
When using the citric acid as an activator, be sure to keep in mind all of the other instructions concerning taking the MMS. Start with taking 1 drop of MMS and 5 drops of citric acid and then work up to greater amounts.
Since droppers come in various sizes, you may want to use the same size dropper for the MMS and the citric acid so you know you are getting enough for good activation.
If you’re going into the rarefied territory beyond 15 drops, use the same ratios; i.e., another ¼ teaspoon (total of ¾ tsp.) for up to 21 drops, 1 tblsp. for up to 30, etc for vinegar and lemon juice activators, and 5 drops of 10% solution of citric acid for each drop of MMS.
WAIT THREE MINUTES, then add ½ glass of apple juice, grape juice, cranberry or pineapple juice, or water. This further stabilizes the compound, and brings the concentration of chloride dioxide that you will ingest to 1 part per million (ppm).
Drink IMMEDIATELY. The “chlorine-like” taste will be negligible.
Allowing the drink to sit for any significant time allows chlorine gas to build up above the drink, which lessens the amount of chlorine dioxide in the drink.
The ‘Healtholution’ Will Not Be Televised!
Start modestly with as little as 1 drop of MMS on your first day, and then increase the number on each following day, up to the maximum of 15. ONLY THE MOST ACUTE TOXIC OVERLOAD SITUATIONS WILL WARRANT THIS AMOUNT OF APPLICATION. Your body WILL tell you when you’ve reached the optimum dosage for you.
Clearing will not be comfortable, but it need not be intolerable. You may feel like you’ve been through a battle, and in a sense, you have. It’s a battle for domain over your health, and hence, your life. Before you can be healthy again, you need to destroy toxins, pathogens, and parasites. In order to do so, they have to be uprooted and released from their “strongholds” in your body tissue. You will feel the effects, but is a good thing. You will also feel health, again.
The sick feeling will be TEMPORARY, a small price to pay for the longer term possibility of lasting restored health, no matter what stage of life you happen to be currently experiencing.
When the clearing is done, you won’t need to take the maximum dosages. You can go on a maintenance application (six (6) drops of MMS) to keep your insides pathogen free and immune system strong.
A few more words about fruit juices. They can be substituted for water as long as they are freshly made. Do not buy them off the shelf and use them, and DO NOT use orange juice. Orange juice prevents the production of chlorine dioxide, as well as anything that has vitamin C added as a preservative.
I hope you have found this information helpful. The product known as MMS is not really chlorine dioxide, it’s not even a miracle. However, it is a safe and effective way to create one, by introducing a sure fire way to bolster the immune system and eliminate a full range of harmful pathogens, by delivering Nature’s pathogen destroyer, chlorine dioxide, into your body.
When combined with the rapid toxin removal power of chlorine dioxide, mineral replenishment with magnesium chloride and detoxified iodine for the thyroid, can point those with even the most acute conditions in the direction of some seriously wonderful well being.
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November 29th, 2007 at 2:54 pm
I hope you are right about the realities of the MMS protocol. I was feeling great before taking it and am now sick, sick, sick — when I did more research about Chlorine Dioxide — I found websites that said it was extremely toxic for human consumption. So as I sit here with severe diarrhea, nausea, vomiting and cold sweats I am worried that I have done damage to my system. I hope all that you say in your posting is correct and that on the other side of this discomfort is wellness. Also, after my last round of the protocol — when I got blood tests from my doctor — my immune system had been pretty compromised instead of improving as I was hoping.
I you have anything else of comfort to say — PLEASE DO!
November 29th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Well Bradley, I do not know what to say. I have been waiting for negative testimonials to show up and there have been very few. I am glad to post them.
Actually I have said very little about MMS. I am posting what other people say and what studies I can find. I am feeling very optimistic about it but I am watching as many others are and my own self experiments have been slow and gradual.
I went through the nausea and diarrhea thing myself and it did pass. I reduced my dosage and it did not happen again. According to Jim Humble the degree of nausea and diarrhea you have reflects the degree of poor health you have. Not to put words in Jim’s mouth but I think he might say that you might have some pretty toxic conditions that the MMS hit upon. Jim says that truly healthy people can take 15 drops and have no nausea or diarrhea. I know a young man who is in his twenties and pretty healthy who took 21 drops and only had a little queasiness that passed after an hour.
Before anyone ventures into the MMS experiment I suggest that they understand what a detox is and how to manage it.
Could you explain what tests your doctor did to you monitor your immune system? and the results you got? and what disease you might be trying to address?
If MMS is so terribly harsh for you you might want to look at other ways to detox.
December 8th, 2007 at 11:09 am
I have been on it for almost 3 months now being careful to follow the directions exactly as told in the protocol. I have Lyme Disease, and I was infected in April 06 and have been virtually bed ridden since. I was treated early when the rash was first found and I never recovered, which they now suspect I got more than one tick infection. I now have been diagnosed with Neurological Late Stage Lyme Disease with nerve and muscle damage in all of my extremities. Within 2 days of taking MMS I had some energy, the first I have had since I was infected. I have continued with the protocol and am up to 15 drops per day. I did experience some nausea and diarrhea at about 6 drops and no it isn’t pleasant but the feeling after the toxins passed was like a cleansing. I almost felt like my old self once the toxins left me. I also took the MMS while on mega doses of antibiotics for a while and also experienced 3 terrible herx reactions, and honestly I felt like I was going to die, my husband was wanting to take me to the hospital. But after a couple of days, it finally passed, and I could tell I was better after each herx reaction. It sounds like the poster above is experiencing a herx reaction, and you have to get through them and continue, your body has to expel the toxins and it’s painful and that’s really an understatement on how bad the toxins leaving your body feel. But for the first time since I was infected I have energy, and I’ll take whatever energy I can get and I’ll put up with the herx’s from the toxins leaving to get that little bit of energy each day!
My mom has diabetes, and I got her to try it. Day one was 2 drops, day two was 3 drops, when she awoke the third day she said she hadn’t felt that good in years. Needless to say she had us online ordering her a bottle of her own. I’m anxious to see what it does by the way of healing her pancreas and improving her diabetes that she has been dealing with for 15 years. We also activated a small amount of the MMS and I applied it to her scraps on her head that haven’t healed in months, and within 3 days they were almost healed completely.
MMS works, and you will get sicker before you get better, but that’s true of any prescription or protocol that clears toxins from your body. Just bear through it, it’s worth the reward of some of your health back.
December 18th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Dear Bradley,
I’m sorry you had such a bad time taking MMS. In my studies and from talking to my friends who can “SEE” parasites in the body… I would say your immune system was already compromised by an overload of bacteria, virus, worms, etc., and the MMS drops was doing it job of killing these critters. (You feel bad when the bugs are killed.)
My good friend DJ who has MS can take only 1 drop every day or so because he gets sooo sick. Shaman Wayne said that if he did not get rid of the critters, he would have cancer. Cancer is a condition put on in the body, by the body. Cancer happens when the immune system is too overloaded. DJ is a stay home dad of two teenager. What else would work better? Nothing that I know of.
In my opinion — the MMS drops takes a load off the immune system by killing bacteria, micro-organisms, virus, etc.
To buy the drops visit: reikiranch.blogspot.com where all the proceeds go back into energy healing clinics and scholarships for students in the healing arts.
Good Luck,
Taylore Vance
Reiki Master
Reiki Healing–Remote Distance Healing
December 24th, 2007 at 6:08 pm
I have been taking mms for 4 days and am only up to 5 drops. One noticeable change is that I have lots more energy and I don’t feel as hungry as usual.
January 6th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I starting taking MMS for a about 5 days now and I am up to 6 drops. the only side effects I’ve noticed so far is extreme fatigue soon after taking it. I currently suffer from chronic fatigue and candidas.
My question is should I go up to 15 drops and if I do how long do I need to stay there? I know the maintenance level is 6 drops but do I need to penetrate the 15 drop area before going back to 6?
Thanks
James
January 6th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
I have read some things that make me concerned that candida and fungal infections in general by build a tolerance to MMS. I don’t know if this is true and I am trying to find where I read it.
Go up to 15 drops but don’t stress yourself out over it. Consider your fatigue a herx reaction. You might try staying at 6 drops until you no longer have that reaction. Jim says 15 drops 2 x day for 1 to 2 weeks. But people are doing other things and getting good results.
With candida you need also to be doing good probiotics. You may also want to search leaky gut on this blog and incorporate that protocol.
You might consider 6 drops 2 times a day then increase to 3 times a day.
January 20th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
This is the biggest bullshit ever
January 27th, 2008 at 5:41 am
Hope this helps everyone!
I have been with the MMS protocol for three months now [it having only been available here in Aust.three months ago!] Never have I had such a successful result, so quickly for my immune system & general well-being & energy levels.
I read both Jim Humbles books & other info before I had access to the remedy, so as a Natural Health Practitioner & Energy Healer [for 20 years!] I followed the protocol given. To my surprise I got up to the max dosage of 15 drops twice a day [one hour apart am] before I had a ‘reaction’, which I prefer to call a response! In fact I went to 17 drops twice for this happen — nausea, so I took 1/2 teasp Vit C in water, then again one hour later, after which I went to the ‘loo’—a ‘bomb-blast’ let go,[not actually diarrhea] & was completely relieved of whatever needed to ‘get out’!! I then had the best nights sleep — had two more ‘clean-outs’ next morn [most unlike me] and reduced the dosage to 6 drops maintanance.[once a day]for a week.
Hadn’t felt so good for ages, however I have had aneorbic bacteria locked-up in my ankle since an operation [16 years ago] which is my ‘barometer’ for health at present! It breaks out reguarly, having recovered from gangrene in my leg 18 months ago [I do not take medications, only supplements].I was taking a very effective antioxidant - Glisodin & Transfer Factors for my immune system, which I believe had me in a stable condition [probably why I had to get to 17 drops initially & I always take VitC] Increasing by 2 drops a day again I went up to 14 drops [with citric acid solution this time] when my ankle ‘blew-out’ again. –no nausea or diarrhea, but lots else happening– my body ‘processing’–along comes the full moon to excelerate the process!Back to 6 drops again. To ‘test’ the MMS I did not take the supplements this time and was amazed that my immune system was up to ‘par’ & more.
I have repeated this pattern several times now with good results — have found that 8-10 drops [once a day] is the best ‘maintanance’ dose for me. I take my Vit C am & midday & MMS pm before bed.
I have ‘recovered’ from the cancer diagnosis six times since 1983 — never gone the medical way except for intrav. Vit C, — success with colour therapy, B17 [apricot kernals]Reiki & other modalities. Immune system disfunction always been a problem — now with MMS never felt better & stronger!What a wonderful miracle Jim Humble has given us.
Have 10 friends [some are health pract’s]& a very sick client all on the product & monitored. The client is off all medication she has been on for years,including oxygen support!
For those who are not used to detoxing and understanding the processes of the body MMS will be an uncomfortable proceedure initially, but hopefully you will glean confidence from those of us who have the experience to guide you. We are in very powerful times of energy ’shifts’ on this planet– the choice is to detox on all levels & balance ourselves — or die the ‘old ways’!Be aware of the Full Moons for deeper cellular levels of cleansing the ‘old’ & heart palpitations due to heart chakra expansion —-LOVE! Breathe thr it all!
Blessings & Laughter Rose-marie
www.alchemyrose.com
February 6th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Thanks Rose-Marie for your story. I hope things continue to move along in improved health for you.
I encourage everyone to post their experiences here and please come back after a time to let us know if they were lasting.
In response to To Chemist Research for CL02 for drinking water: Thanks for your profound insight. We learned a lot from it! ; ))
February 7th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
I agree with Chemist Research. Another snake oil scam. Vinegar and NaClo2? It’s not going to cure aids. Add lime juice and you might just get an explosive. At least then you will never have to worry about cancer. CONCLUSIONS: BULLSHIT!
February 7th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
In fact, check out ’sodium chlorite’ and ‘chlorine dioxide’ on the FDA website. Approved as a food preservative. Miracle BUllSHIT.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
ChemistPhD apparently has not looked into MMS nor does he understand exactly what it is doing for people. Most people have already checked out what the FDA has to say about it so nothing new there. As long as you post swear words I will remove your posts. Don’t do it again. If you have a valid argument post it. If you don’t then I will simply delete you and your foul language and you will disappear.
February 8th, 2008 at 12:44 am
Excuse the foul language. Its less profane than the snake oil and false hope you are peddling here.
NaClO2 plus any aqueous acetic acid will give you…
table salt, water and chlorine dioxide. I would not allow chlorine dioxide to touch my skin, much less think about putting it into my body.
You people are mountebanks and charlatans and should be sued for every unjust penny you raise from defrauding people in this scam.
February 12th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
I have been considering using mms. I read the books and have been weighing the information. The results for malaria and other diseases seem great. I just am unsure about the long term effects of this. I hear good things. I have a friend whose girlfriend was in stage 4 cancer. After the doctors giving up on her she tried mms and is now cancer free. I am not in that situation and am dissappointed that there is only antidoctal evidence and no true double blind studies. I would like to see more evidence that this won’t hurt me in the long run.
February 13th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Well, Sam, I would like to see that evidence, too. But who Is going to do the study? Which pharmaceutical company? Which University? You have a couple of million for the project? It would be great. I will volunteer to be a guinea pig.
Meanwhile people are curing killer diseases far as I can tell.
So you can think of it this way. Pick your poison. HIV or MMS. Crohns or MMS. Lyme or MMS.
I would choose MMS if it were me. Fortunately I don’t have these diseases and I still choose MMS.
If it is a fact that antibiotics kill people everyday why would you choose one when you had an alternative? MRSA is adding to the death list. 100,000 people die from MRSA every year. MRSA is caused by the use of antibiotics and many cases are incurable. How come I don’t hear people screaming charlatan about that? MRSA is causing a nationwide epidemic and it is attacking now people who are generally healthy. Yet folks are pretty quiet. And let me tell you MRSA is not the only monster being created by the use of antibiotics. There are things that they are not talking of yet publically much at all. Like C-diff, which actually takes more lives than MRSA but the media is silent.
Of course MMS is not the only alternative available to cure MRSA and I have posted many articles here on good antibiotic alternatives. Its just that MMS is so dam inexpensive compared even to most of the alternatives. $12 bucks for a years supply! MY MY. Somebody must be getting rich quick, I just haven’t been able to figure out who.
People should have the right to educate themselves and make the decisions for their health that is according to their own determination.
Jim Humble has been using MMS for 10 years. Recently he has been experimenting on himself using it by IV. So far he is alive and well. Dr. Klinghart, I have been told, knows Jim Humble, and he started using MMS about 2 years ago in his protocols according to a report I received from someone who attended a recent seminar of his. I will be posting that protocol soon.
Of course sodium chlorite has been on sale for health purposes for about 30 years in the more dilute products called stabilized oxygen. These companies didn’t really understand what they had and how it works. I have an article about that on here somewhere. 5% sodium chlorite - you can search to find it.
mountebank - thats a new word to me.. Sounds impressive.
February 13th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Sam, there are NO double blind studies for chemo therapy and radiation treatment either. Absolutely none!
Your friend’s girlfriend obviously made the right decision because stage 4 cancer is incurable according to conventional medicine. I would like to hear her story. Ask her to drop by HealthSalon and tell it! We all need to know.
February 27th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Question to the “PhD Chemist”
Can you please explain how it can be that people are surviving taking MMS orally and not only that some are injecting it and surviving? You say you wouldn’t even put it on your skin let alone ingest it - but already your prediction about it being seriously poisonous must be profoundly wrong as people all over the world are now taking this orally? Obviously you have missed something already here? There is something you don’t yet understand about how the human body functions and how this supplement behaves in the body?
I have not started taking MMS yet I am just investigating it. I will look into this despite what the medical establishment says or so called “experts” like you. When you consider that doctors are currently the 3rd leading cause of death in the US at the moment - the biggest reason being due adverse reactions to DRUGS according to that unknown scientific journal called The Journal of the American Medical Association (reference for article is July 26, 2000;284(4):483-5) then I really wonder just exactly who is meant to be defrauding who!
Niki from the UK
February 28th, 2008 at 4:42 am
I’d also be very curious to hear PhD Chemists response to Niki’s question, as well as his thoughts about doctors being the third leading cause of death in the US? Maybe the energy being spent on this “war or terror” might be better spent looking at corruption closer to home, such as the US health system?
March 10th, 2008 at 6:34 am
I am about to start MMS but had begun chemotherapy before I was told about it. I am concerned that the MMS will destroy the chemicals as they are toxins. I am wondering about stopping the MMS when the chemicals are in my system then resuming it till the next chemotherapy session. Has any other reader any experience with this situation?
March 10th, 2008 at 10:48 am
Hello Leonie,
I had wondered about this also and there is no answer for you.
If I had cancer I would not count on MMS nor chemotherapy. Take a look in the Cancer Category found in the column on the left.
There I have listed the best cancer clinics in the world that are located in Mexico. Take a look at Issels and at Oasis of Hope.
More times than not chemo destroys the body and does nothing to strengthen it. The cancer usually returns and unless your doctor can show you that this treatment provides over a 20 percent total remission for 5 years or greater you should look elsewhere, because first they will rob you then they will kill you. Anything under 20 percent is statistically inconsequential.
Sorry to be so direct but it is the truth as I see it.
March 28th, 2008 at 3:25 am
Several problems with this article, directly contradicting reproducible scientific processes:
Electrons are stripped from atoms, not from cells. Cells are several structural orders above the atomic level.
Good and bad bacteria are not split down the middle by ion charges. Some bacteria, such as E. coli, can have good or bad effects depending on where they are in the body, so if this truly destroyed them, it would have an overall deleterious effect on digestive health.
ClO2 typically has a negative charge, meaning that it has more valence electrons than protons. This means it readily gives up electrons, not that it strips electrons from other things. In order to strip electrons, it would have to be a positively charged ion.
Deficiency of hypochlorous acid does not cause MPO deficiency. MPO deficiency is caused by a a defect in gene 17q23, which in turn results in decreased production (or complete inability to produce) hypochlorous acid.
Asserting that juices containing vitamin C inhibit the formation of ClO2 from sodium chlorite shows a fundamental lack of chemistry knowledge. Vitamin C is ascorbic acid, and like any weak acid it will react with sodium chlorite to produce chlorine dioxide.
Lastly, as far as the miraculous curing of thousands of Africans, where can one find independant verification? As far as I can tell, the only people who have witnessed this “miracle” are proponents of MMS. Why hasn’t a single reputable scientist (who can actually write intelligently and factually about the subject, instead of someone who obviously isn’t well-versed in scientific methods) picked up the subject for analysis?
Re: Rett Anderson
I am currently cancer-free after undergoing chemotherapy and radiation therapy for Stage 4 cancer. There goes your idea that Stage 4 cancer is considered uncurable through conventional medicine. There is nothing statistically significant about the small percentage of patients from the small percentage of spontaneous remissions who try alternative therapies. A much higher percentage of those who reject all conventional treatment die than those who undergo conventional therapy or a combination of conventional and alternative therapy. If MMS was truly a miracle cure, there would be people of repute who could easily test it efficacy and publish the results. There are not enough people interested in suppressing such a cure to control the number of people who have the appropriate background to test, publish, and be taken seriously by the scientific community at large.
March 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Those in the MMS community of support for the product would love to see it tested by someone who can do a fair analysis, without bias. People are struggling to understand why it works so well for many and has alleviated or cured chronic and acute disease.
The concept of MMS has been around for quite a while and there are similar products out there. Some doctors have been using such products for a long time due to the great results that they get.
It should be tested and the most simple test would be on malaria. The University of Utah has been doing studies on Malaria. They certainly could figure it out in a couple of weeks.
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:20 am
I guess I’m gullible for trying MMS. At least no ill-effects so far. A very sceptical friend was not impressed by the university test showing MMS killed HIV in a test tube. Apparently it can be killed by just about any chemical out of the human body. My sceptic friend says: “… once a person is infected the virus multiplies, spreads to every cell and weakens the immune system. While alcohol will quickly kill HIV in the test tube, infected people cannot destroy the virus in their cells by drinking alcohol. In the same way, chlorine dioxide may kill HIV in vitro but drinking it will not cure an infected person. The study you quote does not point to any actual human trials of the chemical’s effectiveness on curing infected people. But it does acknowledge that sodium chlorite (the precursor to chlorine dioxide) is a common food preservative– so people are already ingesting it. And obviously they are still dying from all manner of diseases. This is very basic high school science … I’m surprised you can’t seem to grasp the simple chemistry and biology involved. But even more it’s just a simple matter of logic…” Over to you Rhett …
April 6th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
As someone who has been HIV+ for over twenty years (since I was 18) and someone with an advanced chemistry degree, I find myself yearning for a cure or at least a less potent medicine than the triple cocktail I have been taking for years. With that said, chlorine dioxide production and ingestion is probably not the answer. None of us who have chronic diseases that require taking drugs that can be just as fatal as the diseases themselves want to continue putting poisons into our bodies. We all would prefer something else. I have to come to the conclusion, however, that chlorine dioxide is as toxic if not more toxic than anything I am currently taking. Don’t forget that any oxidation process, especially one as strong as chlorine dioxide, causes aging!
April 6th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Jim, as someone who has been HIV positive for 20 years you may be interested to know that there is a young man in my corner of the world who is also HIV positive and was taking the standard protocol for HIV until last summer. He stopped the pills because he said that thay made him feel too sick. In early November he became aware of alternative treatments for HIV including ozone therapy and MMS. He chose to try MMS first because Ozone was harder to do and required a lot more money.
Since MMS his virus load has gone down to 120 on his last blood work and his doctors told him that his blood work looks almost normal. They were astounded and wanted to know what he had been doing. This is the part of the story that I previously got wrong. I had reported that he didn’t tell them but in actuality he did tell them about MMS. They are now aware of the MMS protocol at our local HIV clinic in a large metropolitan hospital.
He has been taking 6 drops twice a day. At first his T cells dropped. But we knew from learning from ozone therapy that this is to be expected. All the damaged and sick T cells quickly were destroyed with MMS. On his next test the T cells were looking very good. I don’t have the number. It was at this time that his viral load was down to 120. I am expecting that he will get tested again soon and I will report what I learn.
He is doing very well. He is now working and getting his life together and feeling very optimistic for the future.
April 9th, 2008 at 9:11 am
My daughter who is 17 yeras old had a small outbreak of acne on her face. We prepared the MMS as stated for mosquito bites etc, which involved 10 drops MMS and 1 tsp citric acid, wait 3 minutes and apply (no need to dilute it said). We applied the solution to her face. The next morning her face showed severe reddening and along the jaw line, there is a very noticeable red lin. It almost looks like a red makeup line. Clearly, the solution burned her face to some degree. My question is, what did we do wrong and what is the best thing to do now to treat the sensitive area and help heal the skin.
April 9th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I have used MMS on my skin also and had the same result. It was like a red ring formed on the edge of the spot that I applied it. It did clear the infection that I had. The red line went away after a while. I had been treating psoriasis on my had which I had been told was fungal in nature with iodine. The iodine resolved all but one small spot that was persistent. The mms got rid of it in about a week of treatment. The red line was inconsequential to me considering how hard psoriasis can be to get rid of and it went away in a few days. I finished up with a good hand mositurizer when the infection was gone. But I can understand the concern on the face. I think MMS does burn some but I doubt she will have a scar. I doubt you did anything wrong. You might want to try a weaker solution next time if you decide to try again, maybe 6 drops instead of 10.
MMS internally might be more effective for acne because acne usually is more than skin deep.
April 14th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Wow, there really needs to a serious study done on this stuff. We need a fair and honest organization to thoroughly research the amazing possibilities of MMS. Anyway, my buddy takes it and says that it makes him think more clearly. He did get sick from taking too much one time though. I’m hopefully going to get my friend with herpes to try it out, and see if it works.
April 25th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
I recently started taking mms because years ago i was diagnosed with hpv and hsv2, 2 of the most common std’s that women can get. In the first week I had an immediate flare up of both hsv and hpv and actually applied some to the genital area. It burned the skin but it wasn’t too painful and although i don’t know if it killed the virus in the area, it sure felt good imagining it did. Of course i would like to see a study done with MMS as i feel that there is a lot of guess work involved. At 11 drops I started experiencing severe tiredness but that is the herxheimer reaction. I plan to take mms for 3 months and then get a blood test. I plan to do a blood test now as well since it is the first week to have something to compare it to later.
I haven’t heard anybody say that MMS cures herpes and there is no one who has shared a story like that. It’s amazing that with how many people have herpes, there are not more testimonials
about it or the progress of mms on it. I will keep people posted with the progress I am making. I eat mostly alkaline foods, berries, greens, fresh coconut juice and take superfoods like maca on a daily basis.
April 26th, 2008 at 7:59 am
If you really want to know what your blood is doing before and after MMS you should have live blood analysis done or another name - dark field microscopy. Look at the blood of this person who did Dr Robert Young’s protocol, which includes a product similar, but not as strong as MMS along with many other things. Take a look at the live blood analysis on this blog: www.stopdoingcancer.com/
May 28th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Hi all… I dont understand one thing…
This product MMS is being discussed so much passionately with all the postive and negative ( mostly positive) comments.
What exactly is the problem for the governments,universities,corporate research centres or even BILL GATEs like philanthropists or CLINTON like leaders to appoint a committe ask them to submit a report of merits and demerits of MMS. It is not going to be expensive for these people.
Is it not worthwhile particularly considering the potential benefit for the human kind.
Leave FDA rules in US, is not possible to try on war footing in INDIA or CHINA or AFRICA with the cooperation of respective governments and non governmental organisations like LIONS/ROTARY clubs.
If MMS is so good is it really difficult to convince the authorities.
June 2nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Dear Mr. Anderson,
I liked your article, as it complemented the other articles I read about MMS. But my comment here today is only an academic one about the chemistry, and is the result of what I think is a oversight or unintentional mistake in your description of the ionic attributes of the pathogens. In one sentence above you state the following: ‘Oxidizing agents are chemical compounds that readily accept electrons from “electron donors.” They gain electrons via chemical reaction. This is important because relative to chlorine dioxide, all pathogens are electron donors.’ Later in the article you write that ‘Chlorine dioxide ions will oxidize – meaning vaporize – diseased cells… anything that is acidic, with a positive ion charge.’ And, from there on you refer to pathogens as being positively charged. Unless I’m missing something, any positively charged matter is NOT an electron donor by definition. It already has a deficit of electrons, so how can it be an electron donor? I think you meant to say that pathogens are negatively charged, didn’t you? I was hung up on this issue for a while and would like to hear your response now that I brought the subject up.
Thank you…
June 9th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
I have been reading about MMS as I am a hsv2 suffered - have been for 27 years now. I have tried various things over the years, the last was DMSO was has increased my outbreaks to weekly - so as you can guess I am pretty desperate. I plan to post here very regularly so that you can share my experience. It can’t get any worse can it?
June 10th, 2008 at 1:12 am
OK, it is now the morning after my first dose. So how did it go? Well, on a scale of 1 to 100 I probably felt 1% nauseous - so basically nothing there. I did not sleep that well - felt sort of jangly and a a little buzzy. My joints are very sore at the moment - pretty much always are as a result of the hsv2, but I also went for a big walk on Sunday over some rocks and boulders, and this might just be the aftermath of that. I have not been exercising as had a toe operation 10 weeks ago, so this was first time out. But I understand that the MMS can cause joint pain, so the slightly elevated levels could have been from that. This morning I have just taken 3 drops of MMS with 15 of lemon juice, and then diluted this with tap water (have bot got any distilled water yet, but will try to do so today). Also am told I should get some coral calcium, so will search some of that out too! Oh yes, Outbreakwise my skin was on fire yesterday and I was feeling pretty depressed, a sure sign that an outbreak is about 2 days away. The last one I had manifested in a very small outbreak in the small of my back which popped out on Saturday, but that would have been as a result of the Golf I played last Thursday. So let’s see whether the MMS can stop the outbreak I am probably due to get late Wed/early Thurs!! That will be a sign that it is beginning to work.
Will report again this evening.
June 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
I have read reports that MMS helps herpes virus outbreaks. Some people have applied it topically also but only leave it on for a couple of minutes so just before a shower is a good time. I would test in just on area first.
Have you tried Lysine? Sometimes 6 to 12 grams a day is required but many people say it will stop an outbreak dead in its tracks.
June 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I am not so worried about treating the outbreaks themselves as these are generally not too painful, and I have an excellent cream called Virobis which rapidly aids healing. It depends where it pops out - at the moment it is near the anus, which may sound bad but actually for me means a much less severe outbreak. If I get stressed or sunburnt, or drive the car too long, or strain a hamstring, or pull my back, then this moves to the small of my back. Here the outbreaks tend to be much more severe and can take a ten days to a fortnight to completely heal. Agony. Maybe if I get another one there I will try the topical treatment - but hopefully by taking MMS orally I can stop this in its tracks.
Re the Lysine, I think I tried this about 6 or 7 years ago and noticed no change whatsoever. Maybe I did not take enough, but I do not remember it being encouraging.
As for today, I woke up and felt much better than yesterday. My joints generally hurt less, and I was also in good spirits. For those of you who do not know, one of the pre-cursors of an outbreak is a often a slight high or euphoric feeling, then intense irritability and then depression. A sure sign something is on the way. So my good spirits might have been some general euphoria ahead of an attack, but I think that (optimistically) I actually felt just good rather than euphoric.
However, as the day progressed I would say that my spirits also started to flag, and also my joints began to ache again - from about 3.00pm onwards, the latter getting systematically worse since then. This could have been the effects of the Cataflam (Voltaren) I took this morning to help with the joints - so I have decided to try and avoid this for a while so that I can really see whether the MMS is working.
I was really looking forward to taking my dose this evening in the hope that the reason I had felt better was the MMS beginning to work, but as I had some meat for supper I knew I had to wait the recommended 3 hrs before taking my 4 drops (I am going up a drop morning and evening as I am in a hurry to get to the 15 drops twice a day as long as I don’t feel too sick). It is now 11.15pm and I took my dose about 30 mins ago. Feel absolutely fine.
Let’s see what the morning brings…
June 11th, 2008 at 2:52 am
Slept well. Took 5 drops this am. Felt nausea after 45 mins as did not eat, but then had a handful of nuts and it passed. Have now had a muffin and feel fine. Knees sore today, and also back - but some stretching helped. Skin on my right side on fire (sure sign of what is to come), but fingers crossed the MMS can win the internal battle. Mood reasonable. Am going to take evening dose before supper to even out the gaps between doses. Also, if have meat for supper don’t want to have to wait 4 hours.
June 13th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Got up to 8 drops by yesterday, Thurs eve, and must say felt absolutely rotten. Nausea, fever, headache, fatigue. My skin is still slightly on fire, but still no outbreak. Mood level, and knees not hurting too much at all. Have taken the advice on most sites and reduced drops to level where I didn’t feel nausea - so back to six drops this morning (Friday 13th - I started on Monday 9th in the evening) and will see how sick I feel throughout the day. If feel OK then back to 7 this evening and onwards again.
June 19th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Hey Chester!? Where are you up to with this? I’m in a similar situation and have been taking MMS for just over a month. I’ve been at home a lot lately so have been taking 5 drops about 6 times a day with larger doses just before bed. I’m still having the outbreaks every few days but they’re so mild and the tingling that goes with them has faded a lot. I didnt have an outbreak for 2 weeks after I first started MMS. I’m interested to hear from others who are in the same boat. I’m willing to keep going for at least 3 months.
June 20th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Hey Lisa, got up to 9 drops by Sunday but felt terrible and basically spent the day in bed, so back to 7 drops on Monday (the 16th) and haven’t felt ill since. Been gradually increasing by one drop a day and today, Friday 20th am on 10 drops and feel fine. My joints are now hurting much much less - best in years. Felt like I was coming down with an outbreak on Wed eve, but nothing has manifested itself. I am really encouraged. Mood good, knees good, skin not tingling, no outbreak, sleeping well. And this is just day 12! Interested to hear how you go as well.
June 20th, 2008 at 4:51 am
I must admit, I’ve written myself off with the MMS a few times and had to stay very close to the toilet for the rest of the day. This has usually been by taking large doses in the morning without food. The smaller doses more regularly are much easier to handle. I read recently that eating apples afterwards absorbs the stuff that your stomach can’t handle. I tried it out and it seemed to help more than just plain apple juice (I have a juicer). The issue I have at the moment is that MMS is not very portable given that you have to mix it up each time and drink it within a 10 minute period. How can I keep up the doses when I’m not close to home all the time? Ideas anybody?
June 20th, 2008 at 5:41 am
Yes, mix up a solution of Citric Acid and put this in one of the empty MMS bottles or similar. Then mix the MMS and Citric acid in a glass, and just add tap water after 3 mins. Doesn’t taste as nice as with the apple, but works fine. Just a thought if you are taking the MMS so regularly throughout the day - and therefore closer to meals, you must make sure that you avoid meat 3-4 hours before taking it, as well as any antioxidants (which includes certain fresh fruits), as well as of course orange juice and also vitamin C. It seems quite easy to negate the full effects of the MMS by just eating the wrong stuff too close to the dosage. No point doing all this unless we are doing it right, right?
June 20th, 2008 at 7:31 am
Hey thanks Chester. I haven’t read anything about avoiding meat before taking MMS. Where did this come from and do you understand what the thinking is? Would the same apply to eggs then?
June 20th, 2008 at 10:13 am
If you look at the website for MMS for the UK distributor you will see they are quite firm on this. If you cannot find it, I guess you should just Google MMS and Meat and it should point you in the right direction. I think it is quite a new finding, so not in Jim Humble’s book. I will try and find the exact link and add it to my next post.
June 20th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Lisa, have a look at this. mmsdr.com/blog/
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:26 pm
I just don’t get it. Can’t find anything about meat and MMS. So that means, no meat, no milk, no vitamin C or oranges and who knows what else? I’m not sure what’s right and what’s just heresay.
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:16 am
Hi Lisa I sent you the link but I see that my comment is still awaiting moderation!! presumably this blog does not like links being sent in the text. The text read…
“I am following up with all my customers that have bought MMS from me in the past few months to see what results you have gotten. I have received a lot of good reports from many people about MMS when I call them but few have taken the time to write them down and send them to me. For the few people that feel they have received little to no benefit, I have found most of them have been taking anti-oxidants close to the time they take their MMS. MMS, ozone, hydrogen peroxide and oxygen all create an oxidative internal environment that all forms of harmful pathogens cannot tolerate. Vitamin C and other forms of anti-oxidants negate the MMS benefit.
Just in the past week I have had two MDs using MMS tell me meat protein will also reduce the benefit of MMS. I have been recommending to everyone to take MMS after a meal to reduce possible nausea not knowing about the effect of meat protein. Do your best to maintain a 4 hour separation between all powerful anti-oxidants and meat protein and taking MMS.”
This is from the mmsdr dot com forward slash blog website.
Therefore, as far as I have read, it is only meat protein, vitamin C, and Oranges.
Otherwise, thought I was coming down with another outbreak, but then nothing. It seems as though I am getting the very early symptoms like sore joints, irritability, but then not an outbreak! Well that has to be progress!! The MMS must be killing the virus as it leaves the nerve ganglia and heads along the nerves towards the skin. Now to get it actually inside the ganglia….Let’s see.
By the way, have been emailing Jim Humble, and he suggests taking a silver solution with the MMS for better results. I am going to investigate this and see why before proceeding. He has sent me a web site of a friend of his who is a supplier, but I would like to understand the science first. More later..
June 26th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Hi! I have hsv2 with very mild and infrequent outbreaks. I am going to give this stuff a try. It sat in my mailbox this afternoon in the hot sun. It was not exposed to sunlight but it did heat up. I hope the product was not damaged. I will begin taking it this weekend. I’ll be following Chester and Lisa to see what they experience.
As for the rude and whiny critics of this product, they’re probably drug reps who see their jobs disappearing if this gets out. The medical establishment has never done anything for me except take my money. I have stories that would blow your mind. My former doctor rolled his eyes when I mentioned taking fish oils for heart health. These are the kind of idiots we have to deal with. In their minds heart disease is caused by a deficiency of Lipitor.
June 26th, 2008 at 3:26 am
Hello,
I’ve suffered from genital herpes the last few years and when I found out about mms was glad to try it out. Drinking it didn’t seem to be doing anything so I stupidy decided to externaly apply it on the out break. I did this twice in one day with an undiluted solution. I didn’t know that I should wash it off after. I woke up this morning to find that I have very swollen and irritated skin on my genitals and some skin seems to be burned off.
What should I do???
June 26th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Great research Chester. I’m studying to be a nutritionist at the moment so I’m still trying to figure this out. The next highest quality source of protein is eggs although the chemical structure of the protein changes during cooking and becomes less effective. The alternative is to combine lower quality proteins such as grains and legumes to make sure that you are still getting enough protein. Protein is important for immune function and plays a key role in the production of antibodies. The other thing that I find confusing is the part about antioxidents. B group vitamins and vitamin E are also antioxidents along with a lot of other stuff. I found that my concentration levels were significantly reduced when I started taking MMS and I had to take some vitamin B for a few days to clear the fog.
The immune system really is the key here. I have taken silver in the past but it seems that unless your lymphatic system is in tip top condition, the body has trouble expelling the virus. If our lymphatic systems were in good shape then we probably wouldn’t be having a problem with the frequency of OBs. I’m interstate at the moment but I have a homeopathic remedy at home that assists with drainage that I will be using when I get back. I also do regular cycle classes at the gym, bearing in mind the need to stay within the aerobic zone and not go to an anaerobic state where there is an oxygen deficiency. Whenever I have combined this with the homeopathic remedy, I sweat more so must be throwing off more toxins than I would normally. If I had a trampoline in the backyard I’d be on it every day. It’s the best thing for your lymphatic system!
June 29th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Cee,
Do not be concerned about it getting warm in the mail box. Part of the preparation process of the solution is to make the water hot, not boiling, before dissolving the sodium chlorite flakes in it.
Lisa,
There is a Heel USA homeopathic product for lymph drainage called Lymphomyosot that is just excellent. Take it 3 times a day for a while.
Chester,
I will look for your comment in moderation. There are just days when I don’t have time to check in here.
Best to you all and keep us posted with your results.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:17 am
Thanks Rett
Very interested in the antioxident effect. I love fresh berries and green tea. Not sure if I can have them.
Also, I seem to be bloated. Any reports of anybody else experiencing bloating?
And Charlie, have you recovered? How long were you taking MMS for?
July 18th, 2008 at 12:12 am
News anybody? Chester? Charlie?
I’m seeing improvements all the time. Keeping on keeping on. Stay posted.
August 8th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I have been using MMS for 7 days and now at 8 drops twice a day. My blood pressure is going up. Do you see and connection with the MMS?
August 25th, 2008 at 3:39 am
Due to the recent government notice served on myself for helping and donating my time, MMS will no longer be available from this site! www.mineralsupplement.co.uk
If you wish to obtain the MMS then it will now be supplied from a new supplier, the number you have is still live and you can contact me on that number.
A new web site will be up and running ASAP. I cannot supply the MMS to you, but you can make a donation www.mineralsupplement.blogspot.com any donations received from this site will be sent to a undisclosed party that will then send you a gift equal to that value.
Over the time i have been helping to support the MMS i have always mentioned to people to ensure that they take the time to learn and make this product themselves.
Has humble states, ANYTHING that interferes with the revenue of the traditional system will be removed, there is no money to be made from healthy people and from people that live longer.
Please be assured that i will continue to give my knowledge of this product and support to the people i have helped get it.
Please also be assured, people that choose to use this product will always be able to obtain it in the future.
Please NOTE: i will no longer take calls at this moment from people I do not know. If you wish your friends to obtain this product then please obtain it for them, or direct them to the blogspot web site and explain, if they donate then someone will send them a healthy gift.
i will in the next weeks be changing the blog site so if you visit and it is not there, please return , it only means i am working on it. Once the new site becomes available then i will email it out.
If you wish to contact me please email ellis_derek@hotmail.com. Please try and be brief because my time is very limited to send long replies.
please also note: all orders will continue to be full filled, just not from me. please note that people who wish to donate by cheque can still do so.
Again i stress to individuals that know the benefits of MMS, it’s like making packet soup, EASY EASY. very soon a kit will be available so you can make up to 1Ltr that will last years. If you want to know the cost and when it is available then email me. These kits will contain everything including the 3rd addition BOOK that gives complete and full instructions.
Again thank you for your support.
Derek Ellis
P.S people that understand the long term value of this product and the benefits it brings do not fear about it not being available in the future.
Excuse any errors in the above, my time is limited.
September 25th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
i am using mms after a friend of mine rid himself of shingles by using 15 drops 2x/day for a week. he is now on a maintenance dose.
October 8th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Hello,
For all of the snake oils related to Herpes (HSV2), please see my blog
I will say that after being on MMS for only a few weeks it is doing wonders. To date it is the absolute MOST effective thing I have ever used for genital herpes.
I am that person that gets an outbreak if I even think about not taking a Valtrex.
This stuff is awesome and you should try it if you have herpes. BTW, I don’t sell it and I don’t know anybody who does. I do not benefit at all from the sale of MMS.
One person does note that any oxidizer will cause aging, well so will the constant worrying about spreading herpes.
October 18th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
What’s the difference between the drops and the clorine dioxide tablets for water purification…and I’ve noticed that there’s toothpaste and mouthwash made with clorine dioxide ingredients, is this the same thing as the drops too?
V
October 21st, 2008 at 11:27 am
After looking into MMS, I feel that the risk outweighs
the potential benefit. It is not a natural, time-tested
therapy such as traditional herbal or homeopathic medicine.
Further, as admited by its developers and promoters,
it has not seen the benefit of extensive independent research.
Unlike herbal poisons, which have been known to have a medical
benefit in very small quantities for a long time, these Chlorine
compounds are known to be poisonous and their usage should face a
higher burden of proof that they are effective (and an
what dosage for which ailment?) and safe, both in the short
term and the long term. It is clear from the articles
promoting MMS that there was never any long term followup
done of patients treated with it.
Unfortunately, there have been no clinical reports or studies,
as admited by the promotional material. Thus we are unable
to assess Dr. Humble’s claims regarding the safety, utility,
and proper dosage of MMS. Although the e-book refers to many
cases in many clinics, it admits that the supposed formula used
in those cases was similar to, not identical to, the formula
being sold. We are not told in what way the “tested” formula
differs from the sold formula. Such information could be very
important.
Given Dr. Humble’s lack of a medical background and the
lack of testing, I have no confidence in his theory about
how MMS interacts with human tissues and parasites.
In fact, I’ve found other articles that indicate that
the Chlorine Dioxode produced by MMS does indeed ineract
with humand tissue, including hormonal interractions.
For this reason alone, I can see no justification in giving
this stuff to a child except in extreme cases.
October 21st, 2008 at 11:38 am
I’ll leave it to the reader to lookup the MSDS’s on
Sodium Chlorite and Chlorine Dioxide.
NOTE: The industrial applications are external, not internal.
They can be used for disinfecting water at a very low concentration
(parts per million).
Contrary to the claims of the MMS promoters, Chlorine
Dioxide appears to interract with normal human tissue
and chemical processes in unwanted ways. Here are
a couple of articles:
www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1474311
tinyurl.com/6q2t7f
Let’s look at some of the claims.
Here’s an example of one of Dr. Humble’s inferences from
his website (miraclemineral.org/importantinfo.php).
When treating cancer, according to the author, one
could use MMS by increasing the number of drops to the point of
nausea. “What is happening is that when nausea hits, some of the
cancer has been destroyed and it is now a poison that the body can
clear out.” This is a HUGE claim and is not supported by any
evidence that I could find. The article continues with more stories
and claims that are unverified. (What other treatments were used
in conjunction with MMS?) Given Dr. Humbles lack of a background
in Medicine or Biochemistry, I can’t just take his work for
it that he understands what’s going on in the body.
Detoxification is an unsupported assumption.
Dr. Humble’s e-book mentions that there have been
“160 scientific papers describing more than 100,000 scientific tests
using essentially the same formula”. Why not “exactly the same
formula”? The difference could be very important.
Looking at Walter Last’s article,
www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html,
we find some statements
that cast further doubt on the MMS.
A. “Chlorine dioxide was used to kill Anthrax during the
2001 Anthrax attack.”
This claim is blatantly disingenuous. As far as I’ve been
able to determine, all such disinfectants were used topically
or environmentally, not internally. Here is some more
information:
www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsheets/chemicals/chlorinedioxidefactsheet.htm
In fact, people infected with anthrax were treated with ciprofloxacin,
doxycycline, and other substances, not with Sodium Chlorite or
Chlorine Dioxode.
B. “While it destroys all anaerobic microbes and parasites,
it does not damage the beneficial lactobacteria of out
intestinal flora.”
No convincing evidence is given for this claim.
In fact, other articles lead me to the opposite conclution.
I have no confidence in MMS’s promoter’s understanding
of the chemical action of Sodium Chlorite and Chlorine
Dioxide in the body. This is not homeopathy, and we should
not be mislead into judging this product under homeopathic
theory.
C. This is the kicker!
“It should be stressed that MMS is not used to treat
people but rather to purify water. We can then drink the
purified water and receive a boost to our immune system as a
consequence.”
Then why not just drink tap water or even really pure water
that has been distilled and filtered? However, you are
not drinking pure water when using MMS. You are drinking
water with some quantity of Sodium Chlorite.
I read that sentence as a ploy to inoculate the promoters
of MMS from lawsuits,
D. “If this treatment option would become widely known and used
by the general population that would be devastating for the
medical-pharmaceutical complex”
This is the standard canard designed to hook the independent
minded or anyone with something against the system. It’s as
if to say that by using this product you are sticking it to the
system — or you are acting on secret knowledge unavailable to
the so called experts. Hurry up! Get in on the ground floor now!
E. “Commonly nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea will occur sooner or
later and are beneficial for cleaning out.”
It’s pretty standard to say that unpleasant side effects
are simply a cleansing or de-toxing process. To me this
sounds more like symptoms of sodium chlorite or chlorine
dioxide poinsoning. How are we to know? The promoters
have no evidence to back up their claims. I’m not even
convinced of their diagnoses in the cases they write about.
If you have a debilitating condition and are willing
to try anything, then good luck and I hope you do
see results. Otherwise, I would suggest complete
avoidance of this product except for mundane water
purification in concentrations smaller than those recommended
by the MMS promoters.
October 22nd, 2008 at 10:36 am
Most people who use MMS are in debilitating condition. I just met someone about 2 weeks ago who is using for lyme with good results. He’s been dealing with lyme for at least 20 years.
People should read this report:
www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=1999017787&IA=WO1999017787&DISPLAY=DESC
October 25th, 2008 at 6:15 am
Bill
Given that you haven’t used MMS and that you yourself have not drawn on any medical or biochemical facts, your opinion is hardly useful. Why don’t you just leave it to those who are willing to try it or have some in depth knowledge of its use. Nobody is claiming that MMS is the answer to all diseases but this site has kindly made itself available to those who wish to share their experience. Long term use at large doses is not recommended anywhere and I have not heard of any seriously implications from short term use. From my own experience it has only proved to be beneficial. Please stop taking up useful space on this webpage. If people want to read the information you have referred to, then I’m sure we are all intelligent enough to do our own research and make our own judgement without having to rely on your interpretation.
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I have appreciated reading all the comments. My chiropractor gave the the MMS to try and I thought I would learn more about it before I tried it. Is there a way to make the solution stable for use on kitchen counters and to disinfect my house? If so, would you give the directions. I am still pondering the internal application but am not opposed to it. Just need more info. Thanks for all the input. This is helpful.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
suggest taking Monsanto Roundup, this kills everything it even gives plants Cancer by poisoning them, the FDA approves it and even the Illuminati wants you to take it along with Aspartame and Mercury amalgams and Sodium Flouride (rat poison) …ALL produced by Phd Chemists in the pay of Big Pharrma…did you know that Joseph Mengler and his assistant Merrck (that’s right Merrck the drugs company we all know today founded with Nazi Gold) both had a Phd for his work in pioneering Zyklon B and the work he did by injecting gasoline into children while he froze them to death….he produced Methadone thanks to the Child “Volunteers” it was called Adolphin but the Illuminati changed the name after their NWO Nazi machine stalled, they played around with words and the Phd Chemists called it MethADOne the ADO being the first three letter of ADOlph Hitler’s name…how is that for Nazi Drugs companies continuing their part in the FINAL SOLUTION, using Cheimicals instead of Concentration Camps……I hate it when arrogant nasty people talk about qualifications gained working on phoney research paid for by Nazi owned drug companies who reward them for body count.
November 29th, 2008 at 1:33 am
I don’t buy the notion that there is no research being done because pharmaceutical companies are evil and are keeping it suppressed because they will loose too much money.
There are many university and non profit research programs that study and develop medical treatments independent of any pharmaceutical company funding or agendas. There are are even quite a few non profits that pickup “dead” research on what they call orphaned drugs which drug companies have abandoned because it was found to cost ineffective to develop. These non profits are mostly funded by private donations.
If MMS was this powerful, someone would be at least doing basic, valid research and publishing results. The fact that you only seem to find anecdotal “evidence” from annonymous blogs and comments (mostly on sites selling MMS) seems to indicate that it’s not legitimate.
Even if big pharmacutical companies were suppressing research in all the major drug developing countries, there are many poor and developing countries that do would have no issues mass perscribing something like MMS if it worked. Countries like India and Thailand are regularly giving the finger to big pharma companies by mass producing generic versions of patented drugs so their people can have access to much needed medications that they otherwise couldn’t afford.
Don’t you think these countries with their proven record of favoring the health of their people over the profit margins of foreign owned drug companies would jump all over something like MMS if it worked?
I’m not saying it doesn’t work, I’m just asking if there is any real evidence in the form of actual, scientific research? And if not, don’t you think that’s strange for something with so much supposed potential?
December 7th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Wether you buy the notion that pharmaceutical companies are evil or not is really irrelevant.
MMS has been studied and is available in an IV product but I cannot provide the information at this time as I am away from my desk.
In time MMS will get further study and accepted use, is my opinion.
Many people that participate in this blog do not put much credence in “actual scientific research”
To accept that MMS can do and does do what these testimonials state would require a whole rethinking and resultant paradigm shift in medical premises to disease, their cause and treatment. A very scary notion to those financially, intellectually and scientifically invested.
Universities rely on heavy funding from pharmaceutical companies to support research.
December 12th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Hi all,
I just found out and have been reading up on MMS since yesterday.I would also like to try out the product but chemically, when you add 9NaClO2(Sodium Chlorite)+ 2C6H8O7(Citric acid)=9NaCl(table salt)+ 8H2O(water)+ 12CO2(carbon dioxide). You do not get Chlorine Dioxide(ClO2)-as someone earlier had chemically tried to balance the chemical reaction in a different way.It’s more like you have to add chlorine(Cl2)+ sodium chlorite(2NaClO2) to get chlorine dioxide(2ClO2)+ table salt(2NaCl).May be there are chemists on line who are more qualified to comment on what chemical reaction is going on,ie. how do you get chlorine dioxide by adding citric acid to sodium chlorite?
Yet so many people are reporting positive results. I am at a loss.I will check back later to see if there is any feed back.Thanks.
December 13th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Very few people talk about the dark agendas to intentionally genocide and disable people via vaccinations.
The hepatitis vacinations was the primary cause of AIDS deaths in the US. The smallpox vacinations was the primary cause of AIDS deaths in Africa. Behind the 430,000 plus gulf war syndrome was the anthrax vaccinations.The Secondary cause of AIDS deaths was toxic treatment combined with a questionable AIDS test which caused people to seek treatment. Also fraudulent AIDS statistics and intentionally misdiagnoing people with other conditions. Not to mention the medical establishments, gay activist groups and famous enterteiners who help cover up of this crimes against humanity and fund phoney research.
The medical research establishment can’t be blindly trusted since they also serve hidden agendas and get nearly all their research funding, licensing, salaries and career advancement from the perpetrators who created the AIDS problem. NIH has defunded any researcher who goes against the government line on the cause of AIDS. There are also phoney advocate charity and gay groups that helpe
The thing that impresses me about Jim Humbolt is that he actually tells people how to make it themselves. One can buy the chemical on line and make it themselves on the cheap.
The situation is this. You can’t blindly trust anyone. You must strive to always do better to discern where the truth lies. The great thing about MMS is that it doesn’t cost much to do youir own personal research.
December 23rd, 2008 at 2:17 pm
I have just started taking MMS, but I can only seem to tolerate 3 drop doses and I take them at night about every other night but I get these crazy dizzy headaches the next day, that remind me of ‘toxicity’ headaches, I’m nauseous too, and in general before taking MMS I have ‘off’ days but they’re feeling waaaay off, and I’m guessing it’s detox symptoms as I know I’ve had Candida for 20 years and have postponed doing something about it permanently… I have done short boughts of a strict Candida diet and have experienced the die off symptoms and felt great afterward only to slip back into my usual diet which is organic and healthy (except when my husband goes on chocolate binges and I participate ) ( : So I will just keep at my low dose every other night until I feel I can tolerate more!
December 25th, 2008 at 4:19 am
Whether intentionally or from blind profiteering, we are all being loaded with toxins CONSTANTLY. If MMS can help with this HUGE problem, why not try it -gently?
Please look into bioelectrification as another method to the same end, using a “zapper” to eliminate parasites safely and help alkalinize. Don Croft and Huldah Clark provide a wealth of info on this cutting edge tech. And there are no side effects!!
December 28th, 2008 at 11:48 am
THIS IS RIDICULOUS! Putting chlorine dioxide into your body, especially your blood, is very dangerous. Much like hydrogen peroxide or ozone, it is highly reactive and theoretically should form free radicals, which are, wait for it…a known cause of DNA damage (cancerous cells) not to mention an agent that will rapidly destroy cells. There is no way this can distinguish between human cells, or bacterial cells, it isn’t a specific agent designed to destroy disease. Whoever is promoting this is truly fraudulent in my opinion. Read the toxicity of sodium chlorite/chlorine dioxide for yourself!
RC
December 28th, 2008 at 11:53 am
I am willing to bet a lot of people who are wanting to try this ‘alternative therapy’ are also greenies who believe that plastics etc like PVC are bad for the environment. If you put this stuff in your body, it will form similar organochlorine compounds in your body that environmentalists have been complaining about for decades.
December 28th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
HO HUM…and blah blah blah.
December 31st, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Hi All,
I have had email conversations with Jim Humble and find him to be an honest and very caring person. I think if he did this much research on the subject and stands by it in a public forum that it must be a great product. I have used it for colds and flu as the protocol recommends and have had great results.
See Jim in his Project Camelot interview:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Uk9QoAfVyY
December 31st, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Hello Rett,
Interesting discussion…
I don’t believe the issues of safety should be taken lightly, but there have been a lot of studies showing that the amounts of sodium chlorite involved in the MMS protocol, while above defined Minimum Risk Levels, are not high enough to cause death when taken for the short term. If you review the toxicology reports on chlorine dioxide and chlorite, the MMS protocol seems to have people at the Adverse Effect Level, since many who take the MMS protocol observe adverse effects.
Many choose to call these adverse effects a “detox” or “herx” reaction, and that may be true in the strictest sense. You have ingested a high concentration of a toxic material and your body is trying to get rid of it…
A justification of using the MMS protocol that is often brought up is that it is used to disinfect water. When I research the concentrations used for water treatment, and interview the engineers associated with the installation and operation of water treatment plants, I find that the concentration of free ClO2 used is in the 1 - 4 PPM range. You can purchase ClO2 tablets for disinfecting water while you are in the wilderness. These tablets produce 4 PPM free ClO2, and take about 4 hours to completely disinfect the water.
Often, in water treatment, the water is taken through several steps of filtering before it is disinfected. This removes debris and the larger pathogens. Then the water is disinfected. The concentration of ClO2 is monitored and when the concentration needed is higher, additional water treatment is needed to remove the chlorite ion residual that is formed as ClO2 breaks down. This chlorite ion is toxic and is regulated by the federal government.
Samples of the water are checked, frequently, and the effectiveness of the treatment is monitored very closely. Clinical trials were done first with animals to try and determine some limits, and then with humans at levels below where they observed adverse effects, but above the minimum risk levels.
In contrast, the MMS protocol involves concentrations that are much higher, there is no monitoring of effects or formal study of what these higher concentrations are doing inside the body. We do have a lot of people reporting that when they start (the key point here is that most are starting at very low doses) they notice an improvement, then they continue to increase the concentration of the dose until they reach “bowel tolerance.”
Since no one knows how ClO2 reacts inside the body, information has been presented in how ClO2 has been used externally to give credibility to this treatment. The “selectivity” of chlorine dioxide comes from its use in water treatment. Chlorine disinfects by attaching a chlorine molecule to everything in the water. Chlorine dioxide oxidizes bacteria, virus, and cysts in the water, but does not “chlorinate” the other materials in the water. In this sense, chlorine dioxide is selective and does not produce the same disinfection by products that chlorine does. The disinfection by product produced by chlorine dioxide is the chlorite ion. When conditions are correct, this will further reduce to chloride, which is salt.
Jim Humble is of the impression that this process happens quickly, but scientific studies suggest that the chlorite ion has a half life of around 35 hours inside the body of animals. The test methods and materials used in the scientific studies are published and are open for review. Jim Humbles test methods and materials used, and the results from his testing are closely guarded. When I have asked him to publicize his testing and test methods, he has referred me to his various web sites and his book. I am left with the impression that he thinks that just because he made a statement about something, we should just take it at face value and there is no need to review the data behind the statement.
As far as credibility goes, I score this round for science.
The current MMS protocol is flawed.
Jim Humble started out working with people with malaria. Early in his book he states that he was using 12 drops of the 28% sodium chlorite and activating it with 60 drops of apple cider vinegar. He then diluted this with around a glass of water and people drank this down and reported being relieved of the malaria symptoms in a matter of hours.
Jim Humble stated that this solution had a concentration of free ClO2 of around 1 PPM. I picked up some test strips from a chemical testing supply house and decided to check this out. I took 12 drops of MMS and added 3 ml (60 drops) of apple cider vinegar. After the activation time I added 250 ml of water. I measured a concentration of around 3 PPM free ClO2.
While my results did not come out exactly as Jim Humbles results, they were very close. The difference may have been due to a different brand of apple cider vinegar being used.
Jim Humble reported 100% success with this protocol.
Jim Humble also reported that people taking this dose with the 1 PPM free ClO2 concentration experience no adverse effects. He went on to clarify that a couple of people experience a light nausea, but it quickly went away after a few minutes.
After reading this, I find myself very interested in this protocol. I read further in the book and find that around 75000 people were treated for malaria. I happen to know doctors and church missionary workers that work in various areas of Africa and strike up conversations with them about this “miracle” cure for malaria. They tell me that they have never heard of Jim Humble, but have also never heard of any miracle cure for malaria.
Looking further into the book I found that Jim Humble worked through some clinics in Africa. I was surprised to find out that when the clinics were contacted, they knew nothing of Jim Humble, MMS, or any miracle cure for malaria.
Pausing a moment, and refusing the lack of verification to dampen my building enthusiasm for MMS, I approached some medical professionals about the plausibility of a dilute amount of ClO2 being beneficial. In concept, they informed me that it was plausable, but to get it right a lot of testing and studies would be needed.
I then took the time to finish the book. Imagine my surprise when I read that Jim Humble changed the protocol and was now suggesting using a stronger acid for activation. I would think that 100% success, using a dose with a low free ClO2 concentration, would be worth building on, but it appears that Jim Humble believes that if a little is good, a whole lot more should be better.
It has been pointed out over and over again that there is a history of 30 + years of people taking “stabilized oxygen” and seeing beneficial results. Stabilized oxygen involves trace amounts of ClO2, and then Jim Humble improved upon this by activationg the sodium chlorite and bringing the concentration up to around 1 PPM, and reported 100% success using this concentration.
Now let’s look at the concentration of free ClO2 in the current MMS protocol. Using test strips to measure the free ClO2 concentration, I am finding that a 15 drop dose of MMS in a glass of water has around a 50 PPM concentration of free ClO2.
Where are the studies and test results showing that a solution that is 50 times stronger than what was used with 100% success is necessary?
Indeed, there is some anecdotal evidence that acidified sodium chlorite solutions have some benefit. Jim Humble may have been onto something with his original protocol with a concentration of around 1 PPM free ClO2. However, it is apparent that MMS is not a “cure all,” and even when people are able to endure the high concentration doses, this “overnight” cure does not perform well.
Now we are moving from a single dose, or two, to long term use of sodium chlorite and chlorine dioxide. While I can “stomach” the idea of taking a dose or two of a somewhat toxic material, the idea of long term treatment using it requires a little closer look at what it does inside the body.
To get an idea of how strong the current MMS protocol is, pick up some test strips that measure free ClO2. Then mix up a 15 drop MMS dose and add it to 250 ml of water. I am getting a concentration of around 50 PPM free ClO2. In 1 liter of water the concentration is reduced to around 12.5 PPM free ClO2. In 2 liters of water the concentration would drop to 6.25 PPM, and in 4 liters we would have a concentration of a little over 3 PPM free ClO2. In 8 liters of water you would be a little over the concentration of free ClO2 that Jim Humble reported that he had 100% success with in helping people with malaria.
As I mentioned earlier, the MMS protocol is flawed. It should first determine what is responsible for the improvement in people. Is it free ClO2, or is it the residual chlorous acid?
Once this information is in hand, then the protocol should give a specific target range of the amount of the substance you need to take, based upon your body weight. All of this would be determined through tests and clinical trials.
The next step is to determine what illnesses this would be effective with. And then you can provide the activation method that is most effective.
Going back to the current MMS protocol, the same 15 drops activated with 5% citric acid (instead of 10%) will give you 1 liter of water with a 5 PPM concentration of free ClO2. If you use a 5% sodium chlorite solution and activate it 1:1 with 10% citric acid (1 ml of 5% NaClO2 would be activated with 1 ml of 10% citric acid) you end up with a solution that is about 30% more effective as far a pathogen killing power goes based on tests outside of the body.
I have for years believed in the benefit of antioxidants. I try to eat food rich in antioxidants, take some vitamins and minerals, and drink green tea for its antioxidant properties. As I understand it, the purpose of antioxidants is to minimize the amount of oxidative stress that goes on inside the body. Oxidation can damage cells and lead to premature aging and a variety of illnesses, including cancer.
Now we have another theory… When damage has occurred and you find yourself ill, you should embrace oxidation therapy. Chlorine dioxide, chlorous acid, hydrogen peroxide, and hyperbolic oxygen therapy are all oxidation therapies. Somehow, with the lack of knowledge of how MMS works inside the body, I feel much more comfortable working in the antioxidant side of things. There may be special circumstances where oxidation therapy makes sense, but I don’t believe it is a good way to go for long term treatment.
Here is another test you can check out. Mix up a 15 drop dose of MMS and add it to a glass of water. Now add 350 mg of vitamin C to the mixture. The yellow green color of the solution will instantly become crystal clear. If you have some test strips you will find that the concentration of ClO2 has dropped to 0 PPM. It’s all used up.
Out of this comes an interesting question…
If I daily take 2000 mg of vitamin C, how much MMS would I have to take to “use up” all of the vitamin C and have some left over to kill off pathogens inside the body?
When you do the math you find that 6 doses of 15 drops would be needed to neutralize the 2000 mg of vitamin C with a little left over to try to disinfect the body. This just covers that additional vitamin C that I take. What about the other antioxidants and the amounts that I receive through my dietary intake?
Jim Humble tends to gloss over this interaction and simply states that you should separate the MMS dose from your antioxidant supplements by a couple of hours. Where are the test results that indicate that a couple of hours is all that is needed to kill off the pathogens inside the body? Where are the notes on how to adjust your antioxidant regime to compensate for the additional oxidation going on inside your body?
Sadly, we have been left having to figure this out on our own. Fortunately, those where are extremely ill and view MMS as their last hope for better health, are also able to figure out the chemistry, do the research on the safe limits of these chemicals, are willing to run a battery of tests to become comfortable with these chemicals, and have a medical team in place to monitor progress in their treatment…
Unfortunately, in most cases this is not possible.
At the very least, people should have a series of blood tests done before they start on the protocol. That way they have a base line to compare results to, and also have a baseline to measure any indication of oxidative stress against.
I encourage people to run some tests on this. The test strips are not expensive, and the few drops of MMS that are used for testing are also not that expensive. The knowledge that you will get from conducting the tests will be priceless.
I mentioned that Jim Humble may have been onto something with his initial work with his 1 PPM concentration of ClO2 dose. In order to come up with something similar using 10% citric acid, you need to do the following:
Put 15 drops MMS into a glass. Add to that 3 and 1/2 ml of water (about 70 drops). Now add 1/2 ml (about 10 drops) of 10% citric acid. Swirl and let activate for 5 - 10 minutes. Add 250 ml of water and you will have a solution that has 3 - 4 PPM free ClO2, and is just a little stronger than what Jim Humble reported 100% success with when working with people with malaria.
You will also notice that when you drink this down there are no adverse effects. If you have malaria, and if Jim Humble was actually in Africa (unverified), and if he was actually successful in treating 75000 people with malaria (also unverified), you should be better in a couple of hours.
Tom
January 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Tom,
You make very good observations and certainly they are thoughts that most of us have had after reading the available material and using the product.
Doubts tend to get put aside when you start using it after feeling like crap for a long time, then suddenly you are better! and this is why many people do not press on with their questions. Its like, I was sick, I used it, I got better, now on to the next life experience.
I would add that a concentration that is required to kill Malaria might be different than a concentration required to kill other pathogens in different locations of the body.
I do not recommend the daily regimen that Humble states people should do, that being 6 drops daily just to stay healthy.
I do know that there has been a product around for quite a while that is similar to MMS and it is give by IV for serious disease.
All in all I still say that that it should be in everyone’s home arsenal. I do also think that it is not near as effective on cancer as people might like to think and hope.
Recently someone I know used it for epstein barr, essentially a protracted case of MONO that went on for several years. It cleared it up in just a couple of weeks with improvement noted in just a couple of days.
My son used it to clear a sebacious cyst on his neck, that took about 2 weeks or so. After seeing this cyst visibly reduce and disappear I wondered about what other nasty things in the body it might be dissolving.
People need to keep asking questions and reporting results. I doubt serious testing will ever happen, we can only but hope.
January 3rd, 2009 at 7:01 am
Rett,
Having read the posts and concerns of those looking to use MMS to reverse serious degenerative diseases, I suggest you link your site and refer your readers to the comprehensive article by Walter Last about the proper and safe use of MMS which is found at www.health-science-spirit.co/MMS.html
Walter is based in Australia and is a highly respected and long experienced naturopath and widely published author on matters of health who formerly was both a pathologist and then a research chemist. His comments should give direction and reassurance how to best to prepare for and use MMS.
Best regards,
Ron
January 9th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Ron,
This link you provided does not work. Can you provide another?
January 23rd, 2009 at 4:35 am
He forgot the “m”:
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html
January 23rd, 2009 at 4:36 am
And sorry, my link was also incorrect
. Hope this one works.
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html
January 26th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
To All - I read with interest - but have a few questions.
I have been involved with Malaria control for many years in Africa. Yes indeed, there is a huge field of interest between water borne deseases and Africa`s health problems, (with water purification chlorine dioxide is indeed effective, but exspensive for Africa)however, I doubt that THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE ANSWER FOR MALARIA - for more than 100 years - many professionals with funds from Bill Gates , WHO, etc. can`t find a cost effective solution or vaccine - what is the cost of chlorine dioxide? - Kindly refer to a single study that provide prove that it cures Malaria.(RMBC) REDUCE MALARIA BURDEN CONSORTIUM - South Africa
January 31st, 2009 at 9:15 pm
To All;
Cancer Tutor.com recommends transdermally, read on;
However, the quotes above also indicate that diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, etc. are part of this treatment. This is true only if you take this treatment orally. It is the stomach which is causing these side-effects. If you take this treatment transdermally, meaning through the skin; the stomach, and the side-effects, can be totally avoided. However, there may be some diarrhea, which is a very minor problem compared to the nausea and vomiting.
While most websites on chlorine dioxide suggest taking it orally, this website strongly suggests you take it transdermally. The only side-effect of taking this treatment transdermally, if you do it right, are possible slight burnings on the skin. This can be controlled by rotating where you rub it on your skin, spreading it very thin over a wide area of skin and by using skin creams to stop the burning, as long as the skin creams do NOT contain any antioxidants.
February 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
For those who want to buy sodium chlorite to make their own, Lisa at ggexcavations@hotmail.com has the best prices I’ve found: $30/1 lb., $100/5 lbs., $180/10 lbs., also bulk quantities if you ask her. She only accepts postal money orders. When emailing, make sure you put “sodium chlorite” in the subject line or you may not get a reply. I just bought a large quantity and am a very happy customer. Of course, she does not make claims of anything.
February 17th, 2009 at 12:18 am
I hope you understand that these things can be working here..
#1 placebo effect.
#2 faith ( yes that works as #1)
#3 works for real ( hmm i don’t trust anyone who can’t PROVE theyr facts.. ) see post 76.. mr humble doesnt post is sources.. or contact numbers we can call..
#4 total bs..
while #1,2,3 actually do the same, #4 is actually what i would assume..
I have read the little pamphlets etc.. but anyone who CLAIMS to cure AIDS, HERPES, and CANCER, and hasnt got any further even with PRIVATE founding is a total hmm hypocrit.. can you imagine giving this to all that need it ? for this low cost ? Im up for it..
Gimme the proof.. 3 independent labs.. 3 workers each with one control panel and you got proof.
Remember the movie “THE SAINT” val kilmer with cold fusion doing free energy ? well thats the happy ending we would all want.. then again before injecting or drinking lethal products i would have studies made.
post 76 says he contacted branches or clinics in Africa? which ones ? I have a friend working at the red cross in those areas (logistics) .. Let me ask him to contact them and corroborate your investigation.
BTW you see in the newspapers “Thanks to ST. put a saint name here for granting my wishes.” You believe in that ? personally i don’t .. doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.. but it’s not the saint.. its something more powerful then that.. probably something you would learn in the movie the SECRET… then again based on faith, faith in thyself , in what one can do.. a mother lifting a car to save her child.. someone coming back from cancer to finish xyz…
You could have a lab test and have these same people drink pure water and the effects would be same.. maybe that is.
PS you know that the easiest way to get guinea pigs is post some crap on the net and wait for a group to start this trend ? wow.. no more FDA approval or tests.. just get people post results in a non scientific , blitzkrieg way that no one can follow .. At least have the decency to make a site where you can all post your dosages/effects/and how long you took , and desirable effects..
For god sakes.. is it normal that only 95% of these posts are positives ?
You will say it’s because it works ? yes , maybe.. it works for 100% of the board posters ( those 95%) .. i bet the rest just don’t take the time to post.. another BIAS ? well one could think that it’s all good right..
So here is the deal… I will make the web site.. host it.. design it.. and programm it.. for FREE…
We want to have STABLE/STEADY and CONFIRMED results ? REPEATABLE ones ?
drop me a mail at frankcases@gmail.com with subject MMS
Ill start this week and let you know how this goes.. basically you will have a few fields to fill and you will have a nice timetable of your results…and compare to others.. grouped by illness or effects.. (anonymous of course)
This would need at least 10-20 users to have anything concrete.. but hey.. we can start with that.
So drop me a line and ill get onto it if theres a desire for it.
February 17th, 2009 at 12:55 am
Should we also be worried of this ?
Later studies have proved that the thyroid inhibitory
effects of C102 are not limited to nonhuman primates.
C102 exposure elicited thyroid inhibition in neonatal
rats, both by direct gavage of the pups and by exposing
lactating dams to aqueous C102 (9). Ongoing research
in our laboratory has also demonstrated that the rate
of decrease in serum thyroxine of rats, related to aging,
was accelerated when the animals were exposed to
C102-treated water. In these studies we have also
shown that the in vivo radioactive iodide uptake (RAIU)
in monkeys doubles
aND
Apart from the biological activity of thyromimetic and
inhibitory analogs of thyroxine, or the metabolic fate
and renal toxicity of radiocontrast preparations, virtually
nothing is known about the toxicity of iodinated
natural products. Feeding iodinated casein to test animals
has been shown to accelerate the development of
Vitamin B-12 and folate deficiency; however, no explanation
for this effect was offered (13).
Currently, we hypothesize that some as-yet unknown
iodinated molecule forming in trace quantities in the
alimentary tract is responsible for the thyroid inhibition
seen during C102 exposure. It is anticipated that such
compounds form in vivo in very small amounts even at
100 ppm C102 concentration
Source: www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1474311&blobtype=pdf
February 20th, 2009 at 6:07 am
Frank! What are you on about? Your message doesn’t make sense. Can’t work out what your purpose is. Why are you posting here? To make your own website? To slam MMS? Are you a researcher or a cynic?
February 21st, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Well, people do post here to slam MMS. As long as they are not nasty, foul or insulting in their presentations their posts remain. I have had to remove a number due to stated reasons.
I think we should look at all reports and take them into consideration, maintaining an open mind. So far, the evidence suggests that mms is relatively harmless when used as directed.
The evidence is overwhelming on the benefits of Lugols iodine. I can not speak for iodianated casein fed to test animals. It surely is not the lugols iodine which has been used in veteninary medicine for many more years than antibiotics have. I have seen quite a number of people not only use mms but lugols iodine concurrently. Some have reduced need for thyroid medication.
All in all only a theory was stated above. Nothing that means very much to me so far.
Again I will restate my position. I do not recommend MMS to be taken on a routine basis. I think it should be saved for those disease process that has been shown to respond to it, that being primarily parasitic or microbial in origin. The key to use and understanding is it that many many disease are caused by parasites, microbes, that the current medical intelligentsia is not willing or equipped to recognize or address.
“Medical experts” do not want to progress and firmly shut their eyes to the truth. If it were not so you would find dark field microscopy in all physicians offices and hospitals across the nation. But you do not. This technology is effectively banned by the FDA and is not recognized by the AMA and in many states, doctors found using it will be shut down and arrested. Dark Field Microscopy attests to the fact, proves the fact, that many of our most common diseases are in fact caused by microbial invasion. MMS can eliminate much of it.
February 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Hi Tom, I really like your comment on MMS, I would love to talk to you( via emails) and ask you more about your study(ies) on this subject! I would like to try this product(MMS) personally, but I would like to know more about it before I try it, and you seems like a VERY smart man and has gone thru all those experiments yourself. so perhaps you could help me or advice me what is the dose that would be good to take , if I just want to make sure that I don’t have anything bad inside my body, I do have a blood pressure problem and currently taking my medication for it and is now under control.Thanks Tom!
Charles
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Charles,
I suggest to enter this forum www.natmedtalk.com to communicate with people who are using MMS.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:53 am
I wanted to post and let everyone know that MMS works great on my acne. I do not use it full strength, as full strength burned my skin. I put 10 drops of acid solution, and 2 drops of MMS in a little shot glass, cover the top of the glass, wait 3 minutes, pour an ounce of distilled water in the shot glass, and pour that into a 2 oz spray bottle I have. I keep the solution in the fridge when I’m not using it, and when I need some, I just bring a cotton ball with me to the kitchen and spray it until it’s soaked. I also use the spray bottle to spray affected areas of my body. The solution keeps fairly well in the fridge, I make a new batch every other day. I will probably continue to increase the strength of the solution as my skin adjusts. So far, I love what it’s done for my face.
I would also like to address the herpes sufferers who’s posts I’ve read. I know this is a blog about MMS, but anyone who suffers mouth ulcers, canker sores, fever blisters or herpes (whatever you call what you have) should try L-Lysine. A friend at work told me about it. I used to just take it once a month just before my period, like my co-worker…and I’ve not gotten a mouth ulcer since. This fall I started taking it daily, and while people all around me were catching colds and flu, I seemed to be immune. L-Lysine seems to be a powerful anti-viral…at least it works that way for me.
Also people suffering from candida, yeast, or fungal infections (again, whatever you call what you have), should cut sugar and carbs, and take a strong probotic formula, I take acidophilus and bifidus.
I haven’t started taking MMS internally yet, I’m still experimenting with using it topically, but I will post any good or bad findings when I do.
March 18th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Hello,
A number of people have commented about their experiences with herpes.
I have a successful and surprising story using MSM, not MMS.
3-4 years ago I began taking 2-5 grams of MSM for pain associated with a lower back injury (ruptured discs). The pain was completely alleviated. In addition, I smelled like a walking yeast factory for quite a while. I continued with this protocol for at least 3 -5 months. I have not had a herpes outbreak on my lips since and, I have had all the triggers. For the past 20+ years I would have at least 2 outbreaks/year.
At the time, I could not figure out why I did not break out with the typical large cold sore in response to the usual triggers (flu, cold, sun, biting lip, sugar, etc…). During a Google session with “MSM” I found several Vet studies where they used MSM to “cure” horses of herpes. MSM has actually been used for this condition for quite a long time.
Interestingly, when I recently try to google “MSM and herpes” o,r “MSM, herpes, and horses” these sites do not come up anymore, In fact, the opposite comes up - sites claiming that MSM used to treat herpes is quackery and that MSM has not been used with horses afflicted wiith herpes.
Also, since then, I have found it very difficult to find a quality MSM product that had the same results. The product I used was from India and I can not locate it. Now, most of the products are petroleum based and do not have the same pain relieving effects.
April 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
hey Gazelle,
just dealing with the MSM topic…
what do you mean with: most of the products are petroleum based?
i thought MSM is a very cheap and easy produceable product…
arent there lots of websites out there where one can buy MSM?
I see a lot of them…
April 25th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Hi, i was introduced to MMS by a good friend whose step mom had overcome an agressive stage 4 stomach cancer. After reading the following link to MEDICAL EVIDENCE (recommend everyone should read this) i decided to order MMS an start taking it. While waiting for my MMS to arrive i mentioned about it to my mom who was having treatment for MELANOMA. Mom is in her 80’s, an since started taking MMS twice daily (ratio 6:30) reports she is feeling fine and my brother has applied a topical MMS treatment to the MELANOMAS an these have cleared up.
HERE’s the LINK: bioredox.mysite.com/CLOXhtml/CLOXprot.htm
There are several pages associated with this doctors information about MMS, be sure to read each of them an you will have best chance to gain understanding of how it works.
My own conclusion: MMS is completely SAFE provided you follow the DIRECTIONS.
This is typical of most things that in otherwise overdose quantities would also be harmful to the human body - it is possible to overdose on coffee but few would know it can be lethal.
Forget about those who stand to protect the pharma industry in it’s attempt to prevent you from taking a good product an following your own educated choice.
FACT: Many human deaths are attributable to adverse reactions to prescribed medical drugs but the pharma industry will defend drugs as being safe.
It is most unfortunate that some people who promote the use of MMS are not conversant with how it works an in their effort to inform others have given an incorrect description.
For myself, MMS has helped me feel better through it’s DETOX, and i have more energy.
And remember, when taking MMS follow the DIRECTIONS.
April 25th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
So your saying she overcame the stomach cancer with MMS?
Good testimonial on the melanoma. I think that melanoma can at times go quite deep and probably if one chooses to do this treatment they should take it orally as well as topically. Leave no stone unturned.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Hi Rett,
that’s correct..
my friends step-mom has no more sign of stomach cancer!
news just in from my mom of 80 + years..
mom takes MMS orally as well as topical applications..
“Amazing that MMS has cleared the cancer on my back–no inflamation and the itch has stopped. Still have the scar from biopsy so will keep applying H/L Gel….. Still waiting for the big mole to come off–getting very dry to touch and small bit came off”
this in less than 2 weeks!
this is wonderful news!
i hope more people will take MMS and save themselves a lot of anxiety & worry and money!!
May 7th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Very nice. May I put your post up in our header under testimonials? You still stand by it?
May 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Hi
I’ve gone thru the informative details re MMS and have tried to understand the chemistry of the product from other sources also. It shall be of great importance to me if some one can really comment on ‘MMS vs Heart condition’. I have four stents in my right arti. and am on regular medicationfor the last 4 years and now I feel on decline. I’m in 50’s. Thanks
May 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Herxheimer reactions and Lymph drainage may be assisted with massage therapy. Massage releases the toxins and water allows safe, comfortable and natural elimination. The most significant part of this therapy is that the client drinks plenty of water or the newly released toxins will settle in the nerves, which results the next day in a sensation not dissimilar to having been driven over by a Mack truck. Please, drink plenty of water.
Herxheimer reactions may be further relieved by including extra virgin olive oil AND Himalayan salt (learn about it products.mercola.com/himalayan-salt/, but there are many sources from which you may purchase) in your diet. Combined, they properly process food while providing a plethora of benefits.
Having only just learned of MSS less than a day ago, I am looking forward to personal assessment. The essential documentation will be prepared and submitted for your review.
Warm regards and pure love to you all.
June 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
If placebo effects were as effective as MMS, doctors and drugs would be curing people left and right as there are still a whole lot of folks out there who have complete and utter faith in them. They have a medicine cabinet full of prescription medicine because they’re sick while the most medicine-like stuff I have in my whole house (aside from hair conditioner) is some generic magnesium tablets and I’m fine. I’m not a health nut, I don’t have time for it. I’ve smoked for almost 40 years, drink coffee and my eating habits are atrocious but I know what chemo so-called therapy does to the human body and anyone who would condone doing that to another human being while criticizing things they know nothing about is absolutely NOT the type of person I’d go to for ANY type of information. Everything they say about anything has to be treated as suspect. I’m not a research scientist but I am a researcher and the first thing I do is validate the source of information. Jim Humble passed, so-called “health practitioners” do not. It’s as if college science and medical degrees require a class that reduces the IQ by half. They can’t seem to think themselves from A to B to C for some reason. It’s kinda creepy and it makes research difficult when “experts” are so intellectually impaired and so revered at the same time. Anyone who does pure research can tell you that you often find yourself trying to navigate through what appears to be a Salvador Dali painting. It is truly surreal sometimes.