MMS Hepatitis C
20th March 2008 by seaturtle Posted in Disease, MMS Information
I have Hepatitis C, Type 1b. My transaminases are elevated (double the normal ranges) and have extremely high virus load (Over 14 million IU/ml). Faced with the possibility of spending my next year on peg-interferon/rivabirin I decided to try MMS. I started taking the drops 3 days ago. If there is interest, I would be willing to post the results and perhaps provide more details.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Hello Seaturtle,
Please do post your results on this page you created.
March 21st, 2008 at 12:29 am
Hi Seaturtle. I would like to hear your results too but I would also like to know what stage you are in now and how you feel. I am not interested in your alt, ast or viral load as those will fluctuate all the time with or without MMS but please do share how you FEEL as that would be most important to know that if you are now chronically fatigued and then suddenly you can get out of bed again I would find that very intriguing. Good luck! Remember though that nothing will kill the virus except interferon and ribavirin but if the MMS makes you feel better, doesn’t damage the liver and might slow the progression than I would be all for it! BTW I know people with viral loads at over 100 million. The number isn’t really important as it isn’t indicative of damage being done to the liver. It only becomes important before, during and after treatment to find out if you clear. Why have you decided not to try treatment?
Peace
March 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
I thought that MMS can kill the HepC virus. For me, that is the whole point of taking it. I have seen several testimonies (albeit I find many of them suspect) that state having been cured of HepC. Jim Humble also claims the same.
Regarding how I feel, before taking the MMS I felt fine. Had no symptoms whatsoever. Only found that I have the virus because my liver enzymes were elevated. Since taking MMS, I have had bad diarrhea and now I have a dull pain in my liver.
I know that the viral load does not necessarily corresponds to liver damage and I also know that it fluctuates naturally. My doctor discussed this with me. However I would expect to have a significantly lower viral load after 3 weeks of MMS, at least 2 logs. If I don’t, then I can’t see the use of this therapy for HepC in my case. My doctor informed me that if I start the peg-interferon therapy, I would have a viral load test after 1 month and then 2 months later. If I did not have a viral load reduction by at least 2 logs after 3 months, he would recommend suspending the therapy because I would be unlikely to respond to the treatment.
About your last point, I decided to try MMS because of the claims that it clears the virus in a very short time. If I can achieve a 2 log reduction or more I will be extraordinarily happy, will continue taking MMS in spite of its side effects and will not undergo the peg-interferon/rivabirin therapy.
Thanks
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:01 pm
*I thought that MMS can kill the HepC virus. For me, that is the whole point of taking it.*
If MMS could really kill the Hep C virus we would ALL be taking it!
Please do keep posting about it though SeaTurtle and thanks. I will be SHOCKED if you have a 2 log drop as nothing kills the Hep C virus except interferon and ribavirin but IF you do I would most definitely want to know as would the thousands of others who have Hep C and either treatment has failed them or they can’t take it. Your doc is quite right that he can tell at 4 weeks if you are going to be a responder or not and at 12 weeks it has to be at least a 2 log drop or you would either stop or consider changing to the *other* interferon or even daily Infergen.
Again GOOD LUCK!
Peace
Pam
March 24th, 2008 at 8:14 am
Hello Pam, I hope you will be shocked soon
. I expect my results some time this week. If the MMS has not done the job it is supposed to do, I guess I will start on the peg-interferon treatment. If that fails, I would consider another interferon depending how bad my side-effects could be. If these are bad…. then no idea. So far I have no symptoms and only mild fibrosis. Perhaps I could be one of the lucky ones where the disease does nor progress to cirrhosis or liver cancer.
March 25th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
A big disappointment. My doctor has just called with the results of my viral load test. It went down from 7.16 logs in January to 6.67 logs last week. This decrease is well within the normal range of load fluctuation.
March 26th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Dear Seaturtle,
Please dont stop taking the MMS no matter what anyone says and dont give up hope, keep it up, K:)
April 2nd, 2008 at 11:28 am
Hi Seaturtle and all.
I have Hep C also (type 1A). I started the MMS about 3 weeks ago but haven’t reached the 15 drops twice a day yet… I had to back down to 12 drops due to nausea. I do know that the viral load fluctuates, however, it is used as the indicator to show if treatment is working or not. I have had the virus for about 26 years… I found out about 4 years ago after being so sick that I could hardly move. The past 4 years have been quite a struggle and I have been pretty fatigued. I have tried lots of herbs and supplements but nothing really worked. A little over a year ago I started the raw food diet and that really changed my life and I’ve started to feel somewhat “normal” again. I did want to say that I was able to get my viral load down from 32.5 mil to just over 1 mil with diet. A blood technician thought that that was amazing and that I should tell the Dr.s… but of course the dr.s weren’t interested or didn’t believe it.
I am hoping that the MMS will help to eliminate the virus altogether.
I hope to hear more from your experience Seaturtle.
Peace, VFH
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I have successfully destroyed the herpes viruses with MMS. I know this to be true. In the first two months of taking MMS, everytime I overdid it I would get first diarrhea, second a Herpes outbreak. I put activated MMS on every outbreak and the sores healed up in 2 days instead of taking 10 days. I envisioned the MMS I put on those sores following the path the virus took to the outbreak site, backwards back to headquarters, and wiping out the nest. After two months, when I would overdo the MMS, no Herpes. It’s been 4 months now, and no Herpes. The really big test was on the 13th of April, I burned my lip with a hot pan, trying to drink tea out of it while camping. Within two days, my lip went from sore to red to the skin blistering and then the skin dying where it got burnt the worst, and then a raw spot, and this in the past would have always caused a herpes outbreak, but it didn’t this time. So it took less than 2 months to kill Herpes.
I also have Hep C and realize how difficult it will be to destroy it with MMS. Think about it. The MMS works in the bood stream. The virus replicates in liver cells, not in the blood stream. So while the ones in the blood stream may be destroyed, and my viral load went down 33% in just 5 weeks of taking MMS, that doesn’t count the ones in the liver cells, only the ones floating freely that happen to be in that tiny percentage of blood that is taken for testing.
Plus there is the size of the virus, it is one of the tiniest viruses known. The small pox virus is huge compared to it. Stephen Buhner compares the two. In his book, Herbs for Hepatitis C and the Liver, he writes that if a person was to take 3,000,000 small pox viruses and lay them out one layer deep, they would about be the size of a period. Like that one. Of course it would depend on the font, say, 10 point. And the size of your screen, but you get the idea, small.
Now imagine that the small pox virus is the size of a brick, the regular ones they build houses with. Put a blue berry on top of it and that blueberry is the size of a cold virus. The HCV virus is 1/3 of that size, the size of a wild bluberry. 30-35 nanometers, (one thousandth of a millionth of a meter).
Meanwhile, the big pharma is alive and well in America and regulating any cure that won’t make them money, that will cut into that $1000 a week treatment plan for this epidemic. In China and in other countries they have been curing Hep C for decades with herbs, diet and other natural therapies. But you won’t find them here in mainstream medicine. Our pharma companies are a huge lobby, too, and are behind bills to prevent the sale of herbs and alternative medicine. And they know they can make a lot of money by being downstream from disease. Doctors prescribe a drug, then the person will need another drug for the side effects, then another for those side effects, etc.
My sister’s doctor told her what drugs are. Chemical copies of the therapeutic substances in herbs. Chemical, so they can be patented. Synthetic, and they all cause side effects that most herbs don’t cause. Why? Ask God. I think herbs have protectants in them that prevent the side effects. A drug is like refined sugar or flour. Both are hard on the body, as the balancing qualities have been removed. Flour without the bran is constipating, and sugar without the nutrients, the minerals that make it naturally brown, is way too hard on the liver and the pancreas. Drugs are worse, actually.
So I’m not spending my money (no insurance) on a treatment that causes more side effects and long term problems than the virus itself does. And lucky for me, I guess, when I found out I had it, I already had many of the side effects of treatment, such as low platelets, lethargy, and others. I’ve talked to people who finished treatment, who had to stop treatment, who wonder when the side effects will end, who had to quit treatment and now have long term side effects and want to sue Roche. Friends have lost their teeth, their hair went white or fell out or both, their livers were destroyed by the drugs, or their kidneys, or they have died, or or or. I’m not doing chemotherapy!
I’m going to keep taking what I’m taking and that is my choice. And to those who choose to do Chemo, I send my best and support their choice. And to those who don’t, I also send my best and support their choice. We all know that for type 1, which is 70% of infected folks, Chemo only works half the time, and the chances of the virus coming back in 6 months is a whopping 70%, which means that only 30% of 50% will have an SVR. So when someone says that “nothing will kill the virus except Peg and Rib” well, we all know that isn’t true. Some people’s own immune systems have killed it without any help. And only 15% of those with type 1 have been cured. 50% x 30% = 15%. The other 85% are still sick or dead.
“We don’t see things as they are; we see things as we are.” Anais Nin
I am continuing to seek alternative therapies to Peg and Rib. I am not going to poison my body with those toxic chemicals. Right now, I’m taking Garden of Life Primal Defense Ultimate Probiotic Formula. It restores the damage done to the intestines by Hep C. Already I can see the positive results. All organs and systems rely on the health of the digestive tract. Proper digestion is essential for the body to absorb and utilize the nutrients it needs. In addition, 75% of the cells necessary for the immune system to function effectively are connected to the gastrointestinal tract.
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April 25th, 2008 at 4:55 am
Hi Kathy,
I admire your determination. Thats the way to go. You should educate yourself and find solutions which have minimum side effects to your body. Have you looked on Virgin Coconut oil and its health benefits? There is a lot of studies showing that it is anti viral, anti fungal, anti bacterial. As a side benefit will boost your metabolism and help you burn excess fat.
Best luck to all of you.
June 8th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Hi,
I also have hep-c as well as CMV, EBV, HHV-1&2, zoster and HHV-6. Also have a low level mycoplasm. I am now on my 2nd day of 15 drops taken 3 times a day.
I’ve been taking it slow - starting 2 weeks ago with 1/2 a drop. I’d just had a minor shingles outbreak at the base of my spine (where all herpes viruses lay dormant) and the night following my first dose, I soaked my bedsheets. I had a backache for a few days but I continued to gradually increase the dose. I haven’t had any noticeable problems - no nausea or vomiting. (yet…)
I also chose not to undertake the current hep-c treatment. I’m genotype 1b and had very little damage on my 2003 biopsy - I’ve probably had the virus for 35 years. I take a huge amount of supplements, primarily milk thistle, ALA, NAC and a host of others.
I’ve been on a gluten-free diet for the last 5 months and it was a great help! No more IBD or stomach bloating and my fibromyalgia/chemical sensitivy is much reduced. I also eat lots of veggies and fruits, though I’ve eliminated any vitamin c while I’m taking mms at 3 times a day.
My liver function tests are pretty good but my ALT/AST are slightly elevated. My viral load is fairly low. (at last test anyway..) However, my herpes viruses are going wild - despite Valtrex, Lysine, and Olive leaf extract.
So, my great new doctor suggested MMS and here I am. I had my mercury amalgams removed earlier this year and have been on chlorella and chelaco for chelation - my doc thinks that it will be easier on my liver to do it the oral chelation way.
I told her that I’d be a willing guinea pig for mms, lol, so I will update here again on my progress.
Good luck to all,
Nola Chris
August 20th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Hi. My name is Sydney and last August I found out that I had acute hepatitis C. I treated immediately and I’m happy to say that I was cured. I’m fortunate because acutes don’t have to treat quite as long, although I did treat for almost seven months when apparently I only needed to treat for three months as an acute. MMS will not cure your hepatitis c and I hate that there are snake oil salesmen who make money off of people who are sick and delay them from getting the treatment that can actually cure them. Believe it or not, the pharmaceutical companies frequently provide free treatment meds to people who can’t afford the medication to treat their hepatitis c. I was shocked about that too but it’s true. There is an entire community of people with hepatitis c at medhelp.org. You just have to go to the hepatitis c forum when you get there. I have to say that we aren’t very nice to people who come there and try to sell bogus cures like mms, but we support anyone with hepatitis c, or anyone who has a relative with hepatitis c, and I would never have made it through treatment without the wisdom and support of the members there. I found that many of my doctors knew a lot less than the members at medhelp. I was really surprised at the ignorance of many in the medical community. They don’t keep up with the latest research and studies much of the time. I wish everyone well and good luck with your medical issues.
August 20th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
and Kathy, its not true that type 1’s only have a 30% lasting success rate. The SVR rate without relapse for first time treaters is 45 to 50 percent.
And frequently people who don’t make it the first time treat again with more medication or for a longer time and find that their second treatment is effective. 99% of the people who remain free of hep for a year after their treatment ends remain cured of the disease.
Also, the studies involving the protease inhibitors (used with interferon) are looking good. A man on our forum who had treated unsuccessfully seven times before on other treatment protocols was in that study and was finally successful with the teleprevir (sp?)
The virus also affects the whole body, not just the liver. There is particular danger to the kidneys, and this has been little focused on in the medical community, but the studies are there, all you have to do is google it. So those who say the treatment is worse than the disease may be kidding themselves. Interferon is not good for you, and it has every likelihood of causing you to have some type of issue later with ra or some other auto immune issue. On the other hand, we watched a young man of nineteen die a couple of weeks ago because they couldn’t find him a liver on time, so for me, dealing with arthritis is a small price to pay to save my liver.
I would encourage anyone with hep c to see a hepetologist at a teaching hospital as most physicians, even gastroenterologists, know very little about the disease. Shockingly little in some cases.