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MMS and Connective Tissue Pain

10th August 2008 by Lodestar Posted in Uncategorized

Recently in addition to a comprehensive detoxification I was recommended MMS. At first it worked exactly as I was led to believe. Nausea and diohoera which after dropping and slowly increasing my drop dosage.

But, after 3 weeks while the sickness symptoms eased off I began to suffer pains which began in my teeth. At first it was similar to that of sensitive teeth and I suspected that is what it was. But the pain spread all around my teeth and gums going straight to my jaw within a day or two. The pain it seems was spreading and even went as far as my cheek and chin. Mostly it was on my left side of my face with a few twinges in my right. I also began to notice other joints suffer here and there in a much milder pain. Mostly in my hands and knuckles, and my feet and toes. However it was the pain in the left side of my mouth and face that was the greatest distress.

It seems that as the MMS boosted my immune system it began to clear out toxic metals in that area. I have had a similar encounter before when I bathed regularly in Magnesium Chloride. Again it seems like my body was encouraged to clear toxins from that area. Though the effect that time was not as long lasting or severe. Also when I removed my amalgam fillings I had pain in my teeth and under the gums where the work took place for a few days which was much milder.

This most recent incident was very painful and I was unable to eat. Not only because of the pain but I noticed that and drinking water activated the pains themselves. I ceased the MMS and all other supplements and the pain did not stop but became much more bearable. This also seemed to me to suggest that my body as begun to work the toxins out of those areas.

I am 31 years old and mostly healthy apart from mild digestive disorders. I am not and never have been overweight and prior to my recent comprehensive detoxification, have had nothing that is quite like this. I have had tests in recent times that have shown my connective tissue, particularly on my left side is very stressed. All of which again suggests the MMS was working my body very rapidly to remove these toxins (likely mercury for instance).

My conclusion is that MMS is very effective in boosting the immune system and simply adds extra power to what is naturally required of your body. The problem is now for me that this process has started and has caused me a lot of pain that standard off the shelf pain killers cant help. I even tried a product called Serrolone ( a product that is concentrated Serpatase) to help but even high doses have had little effect in this area. I was attempting to remove toxic metals from my system and it seems I am doing just that. As the saying goes “Be careful what you wish for”. However, I do not beleive my body would put me through this were it not required. And not only do I not believe this is part of what my body requires to do, but also it appears the dam has broke.

So now I am in search of something to help with the pain that has been caused by this. And would appreciate any readers out there with helpful advice to leave their comments. The pain in full swing is excruciating and even though stopping supplementation from the various nutrients and detoxifying aids it still continues in a milder form. Assistance with this pain would allow me to release these toxins and finally get past this part of my health issues much easily and maybe quicker.

Finally this is not a post against MMS. Quite the opposite, I believe it provides a great boost to the immune system and allows the body to do exactly what is necessary. I honestly believe when the heavy metals in my connective tissue are gone the source of the pain will stop. And the MMS is doing exactly that. Just in my case maybe a bit too well!

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19 Responses to “MMS and Connective Tissue Pain”

  1. marcia Says:

    How can you consider taking something which tells you it will give you nausea, diahorrea and the chronic pain you are in and think it is doing you good. You are poisoning yourself. leave well alone. I dont understand if you wanted to detox there are other ways. Marcia

  2. marguerite Says:

    Hello. Curious to know how you are doing now. I have ms and took up to 13 drops twice daily, and after the initial effects, nothing really happened. ms is a over active immune type of disease. The person who turned me on to the mms took it to heal her candida. I don’t know if I have this, altho it is common for msers. Thank you.

  3. Frankie Lee Says:

    I am having similar symptom to the ones you described, they started on day five when I increased to five drops. My upper tooth on the left side is extremely painful, and I have tried arnica, clove oil and baby aspirin with little result. I went on line because it started me wondering if I might have bitten down hard on my tooth without realizing it and was merely coincidental, or was in fact to do with the mms addressing the virus I was advised to take it for. I am hoping it is the latter, and went off the dosage last night, and took two drops a few minutes ago this morning. The pain is severe. If anyone has a reply that directly addresses this issue, I will appreciate hearing what you have to say.

  4. Dorothy Says:

    I need to work – can’t afford to have time off sick because I used MMS. Haven’t started yet – probably arrive tomorrow but this really concerns me. High pain threshold aside if this debilitates me I can’t try it. Please let me know how you are progressing with this pain.


  5. Shafiya Eve Says:

    I started the MMS program about 4 weeks ago and am now up to 10 drops 2x per day. I have taken it very very slow, which is what I recommend. If you are considering using MMS, please listen to your body at all times. Never proceed past any body discomfort whether it is pain, Nausia, etc, Either hold at the dosage or drop down a drop. I took my 1st dose and didn’t take another for 3 days because it started working on me right away (mild detoxing). As far as the pain for Lodestar here is my recommendation. There are alternative healing techniques which I highly recommend. Find someone local who is a Reiki Practitioner preferrably a Reiki Master or an EFT Practitioner. I’ve had remarkable results with immediate relief of pain. I am a Reiki Practitioner and an EFT Coach, but unless you live in Virginia, I recommend someone near you.

  6. beccasan Says:

    Hi, I think I can validate what you are saying. I have had sinus problems all my life. In the past I have taken antibiotics to a ridiculous degree for acne. Now the infections I get are the super resistant staph kind. A few years ago I had the worst sinus infection of my life. That is when I learned that you had sinus cavities near your teeth. Every tooth hurt horribly.
    I started taking MMS in February. I think it was doing what it was supposed to. In April I started getting pains in several teeth. I assumed like you that the MMS was finally penetrating that area and a battle was on. Unfortunately I had to stop the MMS when I went cold-turkey off the Oxycodone. I think I am going to start it up again soon and see if it will finish off the job of detoxifying me.
    Other things I have been experimenting with are 30% food-grade hydrogen peroxide and Super Silver. Anyone with any experience with these? I am not sure whether to do them all or just the MMS or what.
    I have lymphedema in both legs and am in a lot of pain, although the pain is less since getting off the pain killers. Go figure. Anybody have any recommendations about lymphedema or pain?

  7. KalyanaMitra Says:

    We need some follow-up here. What happened with Lodestar almost a year ago now?

  8. Dean Says:

    I began taking MMS two weeks ago and have also noticed similar affects around two back teeth that are mainly amulgam filling. The pain is severe in the root and jaw area, I went to the dentist last year with the same pain which he said was caused through grinding in my sleep. Now I’m not sure. I have been battling with lung cancer for the last four years and have noticed this pain comes back when I finish chemo and my immune system recovers. I have been taking up to 6 drops of MMS and thats when I feel the pain. If I stop taking it the pain reduces. I also suffer tierdness when taking higher doses. My best result was after just 3 drops, I felt comletely energised the next morning. I suspect that this is my ideal dose to take and should stick to it for a while. My lungs have felt clearer since taking MMS but also experiencing twinges and burning in the area of my tumour, hopefully this indicates my immune system is acting on it. If anyone has similar experiences I would be keen to hear of them.

  9. Lodestar Says:

    It has indeed been over a year and I can confirm the pain has continued in less severity since then. However I had developed an abcess in the lower left molar which waxes and wanes. Beginning of this year I felt compelled to take care of this abcess as I was sure it had cluse to some of my health issues.

    Now two months ago after some research I contected a holistic dentist who not only practices dentistry and is aware of mercury filling complication but also is triend in Cranial Osteopathy and homopathy. This is because he beleives like myself ones health is multifacted and has to be addrssed in layers.

    So he was very well qualified to spot that for one I have for years been grinding my teeth and it has had an impact on them. This could well be a factor. I have now been undergoing Osteopathy and Cranila Osteopathy and we have even taken care of health issues I had not even considered. Even though they are not all related to this issue. I think this here is a note on how we must embrace new ideas and not become stagnent. This primarily however was to reduce the teeth grinding.

    Now secondly and most notably was the abcess itself. It is so large it has to be seen to be beleived. It has grown considerably and is making a large impact on my health both as it is connected to the meridans of my lung and large intestines. Clearly the larger it got the worse this has had upon those areas. He beleives this abcess had have built up over years. Personally I have noted it is where mercury fillings once were. In around a months time I am having the root treated and cleaned out throuroughly scrapong the bone to clean out the infection.

    The MMS and other supplements like Magnesium I described were trying to fight this infection and pushing it back up causing the discomfort it seems. This being the case once cleaned out my body should equalise once again as the source of the infection is removed. I should also like to add here that this infection seems to have been having other knock on effects on my heart, throat (likely thyroid), solar plexus, sinuses and my eye. So if you have an abcess or mercury fillings I strongly advise remedying the situation asap.

    Furthermore if your dentist is unwilling or a little too fond of established ways of thinking then do some research and look elsewhere. It may well be pricey as it has been for me but its sheaper in the long run in both time and money to take care of such matters. Furthermore Id suggest as teeth grinding can impact jaw and teeth pains to seek out a means of alleivating this. Myelf I beleive in a number of things used in an intergrated fashion from osteopathy, cranial osteopathy and relaxation techinques. And most importantly beleifs systems. Our thoughts can cause us a great deal of stress and give us physiolgical habbits like nervous grinding.

  10. D. Nash Says:

    My wife (56 years old and in excellent robust health) died three weeks ago 12 hours after ingesting two drops of MMS mixed in lime juice – the initial dose recommended in Jim Humble’s protocol. She suffered severe and prolonged nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. She thought that those symptoms were to be expected because Humble’s written protocol says vomiting and diarrhea are “not a bad sign”. After suffering those effects for eleven hours, my wife went into a coma. One hour of CPR plus other conventional emergency medical procedures failed to revive her. She had decided to try MMS because she succumbed to the arguments of its proponents that MMS could aid in protecting the two of us against malaria in our current travels in the western Pacific islands. MMS is a dangerous and potentially lethal substance if ingested as a medical remedy.

  11. Penny Says:

    Sorry about your wife, but I honestly don’t believe 2 drops would cause such a reaction. If taken in a high dose, nausea/vomiting WILL happen, but at 2 drops it will not.
    The MMS is safe and I have been taking it a while now. Never once have I experienced nausea as nausea only happens when one takes a huge amount. I would bet your wife jumped into it with both feet and took more then the 2 drops.

    I too experienced pain in the face and head area as well as the teeth. That lasted all of 6 hours and has went away and never returned.

  12. Fred Says:

    Don’t believe this so called ‘Mr Nash’, Penny.

    I have been following this so called ‘Mr Nash’ who claimed that his wife passed away because of the MMS.

    Whether that his real name or not, he is nothing more than an agent for the government (FDA) and attempted to discredit Jim Humble’s work.

    Mr Nash’s comment have been posted on different forums.

    Nice try, Mr Nash.. whoever you are.

  13. Linda Says:

    To Marcia,
    The reaction is a Herxheimer reaction, which IS NOT SHOWING A POISONING REACTION, but rather the die-off malaise which occurs when your body is ridding itself of pathogens. As someone who has been chronically ill for years and so far is having an okay response, it’s very annoying to hear such uninformed comments from people who don’t even understand what die-off entails, but can’t resist offering their opinions/judgments.. Please allow people to make their own researched decisions about what to put or not put into their own bodies, using common sense and caution.
    And to the supposed real Mr. Nash…people can die from aspirin as well, yet it’s still administered daily. My sympathies if you are indeed who you say, but I find it hard to believe that death could occur from 2 drops, without other factors being present. I also have seen your post everywhere. Please allow others to come to their own conclusions and make their own decisions with their personal results.
    Rather than dissuade people from possible benefit of a treatment, which can be discontinued at any time and unlikely cause any harm, I would like to wish anyone suffering from chronic illness an improvement and restoration of health.
    I have suffered for over 20 years and am personally fed up with western drugs/treatment, not that anyone can afford treatment anyway.
    I wish all of you good results.

  14. Mike Says:

    I read that MMS is an oxidant, too much of which causes “inflammation.” The website I was looking at said it needs to be offset by antioxidants. This is why Vitamin C neutralizes the MMS. Anyway, the suggestion is to take your MMS dose at night and in the morning, so it can do its job, but during the middle of the day to offset it by taking antioxidants (preferably in food form) to counteract the inflammatory effect of too much MMS. I don’t remember the website, but I was looking for: Oxidative Stress Reliever + mercury + MMS when I read it.

  15. Holistickid Says:

    Many people become confused by this process when we are talking about the process of oxidation caused by MMS in relation to pathogens. In relation to antioxidants we are attempting to give and electron back to an unstable oxygen molecule that has been damaged and lost an electron due to other factors (mainly toxins). MMS we are only attempting to oxidize pathogenic factors using MMS that are in the body and we are not oxidizing oxygen. Two different processes!

  16. John Says:

    Im on day 3 of the 15 drop protocol and each time when dosing the teeth area has had noticeably feeling different as mentioned above, yet in a positive way. Been brushing with mms also, white coating on tongue in morning is gone along with any bad breath and teeth and gums feel and look super clean and healthy (typically brush twice a day morning/night)Went to 4 drops this morning and noticed scalp tingles. Nose which as long as i can remember been plugged, their one side or another, is unplugging or clearing up. I can breath thou both sides of my nose. As for pain there is a mild pain in my right side under belt area in back. Little across lower back. Now ive had back pain from sitting on a not so good office chair. Yet i think more in the way the pain the guy typed about in his jaw, somethings leaving. Diarrhea and gurgling on tummy and wind nothing bad, very mild. Over all i feel better then i did just 3 days previous. Witch is amazing to me. Im spectating it might be cleaning candida out of me. Ill back down to 3 drop today take i slow as recommended. As for this Mr. Nash person (im sure the name changes) he is acting very much like a “troll” (click the link above) there all over the place, these types are in every industry and idealism. The internet makes them ez to spot, once you understand there actions and mechanisms. Ive spotted his posts around the net also, and most of them such as this one, has been routed out and discarded as this one has, as bunk and/or unproven.

  17. John Says:

    Mistake. The Pain is in my left side not right.

  18. maria Says:

    Just a short input. I cleansed my mercury filllings years ago and followed andy cutlers protocol as well as did some other well known natural remedies. I believe these are better approaches to detoxing than mms for mercury in particular or heavy metals in general, and no side effects from it either. Please read his short booklet first, because mercury is very dangerous as you all know, and then go on with the mms if you want, but the mercury really needs something to bind to. Other than that I think mms is a great product for general infections such as bacteria and fungus as well as chemicals.

  19. freethinker Says:

    You seem to have fluoride poisoning.
    Google for “fluoride poisoning” “connective tissue”.
    I don’t know what the effect is of MMS on fluoride.